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02-15-2021, 05:52 PM #61
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I suspect tort laws are different in Canada than the lawsuit crazy US. Here if you are involved in an accident and it is determined that you are over the "recommended" numbers the jury, most or all unfamiliar with RVing, will hold you responsible. Even if you didn't cause the accident they will assign a certain amount of responsibility for the accident to you based on your exceeding the recommended numbers. And the excuse, " I don't know if I exceeded the numbers because I never weighed my rig." will just be more proof that you were negligent. Welcome to the USA. And heaven help you if there is a fatality involved.
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02-15-2021, 05:57 PM #62
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No there's negligence here in Canada also. If its a major accident, they will investigate here also.
Ignorantia juris non excusat or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not" and "ignorance of law excuses no one" respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely by being unaware of its content.
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02-15-2021, 06:54 PM #63
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First let me say I'm not an attorney and never played one on TV. We have a similar legal philosophy in the US. We also have contributory negligence as part of our legal tort system. If you are negligent, I.E. never weighed your trailer and/or were over one or more of the numbers then even if the accident is not your fault you can be assigned a certain amount of the blame. I'm also curious about how an insurance company would treat a case where a RVer is over one or more numbers. Can they refuse a claim? Interesting question. Even if they had to pay the claim they would likely cancel the policy and one might have trouble getting their RV insured in the future. All the more reason to know and stay under the numbers.
Thread drift. This is probably not helping the OP.Last edited by GaryS1964; 02-15-2021 at 06:59 PM.
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02-15-2021, 07:01 PM #64
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02-15-2021, 07:19 PM #65
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I am going to guess at least 50% of 3/4 tons towing 5th wheels are over weight. Does that make them all unsafe ?
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02-15-2021, 08:04 PM #66
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Once in person a very long time ago, minor injuries involved, a couple of times along side the road, and on the evening news and YouTube videos. Your mode of RVing seems to be working just fine for you. Far be it for me to tell you or anyone else how to travel with a RV. It's up to everyone to assess the risks and accept the risks, if any, of their RVing mode. I'm just pointing out some of the potential negative aspects of towing a RV over the numbers and/or of not knowing the numbers for the OP and anyone else who might be interested. I guess in my old age I'm becoming more risk adverse.
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02-16-2021, 10:36 AM #67
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I was not going to weigh in on this, but... As to weights and so on. I have never weighed my truck or 5er. Nor did I on previous set ups. Not because I don't care about it, but because I have always made sure to buy a combination that keeps me typically at 80% or less of max capacity (we also don't have any scales around that I am aware of). I am 98% sure that I am not close to the towing capacity of my truck with the rig fully loaded. The only thing that could be close at all is payload. Knowing what I weigh, and a close estimate of my wife's weight (I know that she is under a certain weight), what the grandkids weigh, and items in the bed, hitch included, I figure I am about 150 pounds under payload. I feel safe towing, and have had some close ones that scared the crap out of me. Having said that, my truck handled everything just fine. Also, actually the legal term would also be "Shall".
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02-16-2021, 11:24 AM #68
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I tow with a 2018 F150 KR 3.5 EB with the HD tow options, I tow a GD 230RL and put about 16k miles on this combo. I’ve traveled the mountains in the west from AZ to MT to east At through the Ozarks and this combo has worked as well as other combo I’ve seen on the road
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02-16-2021, 12:12 PM #69
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02-16-2021, 03:17 PM #70
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So, unless you are speaking from first hand experience, using words like WILL hold you responsible, and WILL ASSIGN a certain amount of responsibility are pretty bold statements. I can accept MAY instead of WILL, but I have yet to meet or hear from anyone who has first hand experience in either being sued or knowing someone who was sued, for being in a wreck, and proven to be overweight.
It is a never ending argument in threads like these. There's some who will say your tow vehicle will explode and you will be sued for everything you, your kids, and your grandkids own if you are over by a pound. Then, when you try to find evidence of that, it's never produced.
Can it happen. Sure. Anything CAN happen.
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