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12-25-2017, 10:06 AM #21
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Some of the items mentioned above have expiration dates. It's a good idea to look through the kit every once in awhile to check these. Except for my bp cuff & steth I won't use most anything for years at a time.
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12-25-2017, 10:33 AM #22
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12-25-2017, 02:25 PM #23
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Training is an excellent idea, most people are willing to help but are not mentally equipped to do so. As mentioned the local FD or Red Cross have people who will put on training sessions for CPR, 1st aid and AED use and can provide certificates. Not sure you can get all that in one session though. As far as supplies a person could carry enough stuff to outfit an emergency room but is it necessary? Most of us camp in places where emergency response time is relatively short and they show up with an ER on wheels. A basic first aid kit designed for 3-4 people with some heavy trauma supplies should suffice. If you boondock or are a camper using a chainsaw then that's another story, you should bulk up your supplies (hemostatic powder/bandages, battle dressing, tourniquet & forceps) . FYI chainsaws injure over 36,000 people a year usually requiring 100+ stitches. I'm not a die hard prepper but I do have what I need to survive if I have to leave home in a hurry (SHTF) including the heavy trauma supplies. This SHTF discussion for another thread.
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12-25-2017, 03:50 PM #24
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No Latex gloves or any latex products for us. Nitrile gloves only.
My wife has a severe Latex allergy from years of nursing. Twice she had an anaphylaxis reaction to latex exposure and almost died. Fortunately both times she was at work and surrounded by medical people who reacted immediately.
I lost a good friend who was an anesthesiologist from an allergic anaphylaxis reaction. We keep epipens with us wherever we go.
Almost all hospitals and medical facilities are now latex free because of latex problems.Jerry & Linda
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12-25-2017, 06:38 PM #25
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Nitrile gloves is what we were taught also. My SIL Fire Captain sitting next to me right now said all they use is nitrile because of allergic reactions.
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12-25-2017, 07:06 PM #26
I believe that I misspoke in my earlier comment on keeping gloves handy. The commonly available heavier thickness "mechanic's" gloves are all nitrile. (not latex)
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12-25-2017, 10:30 PM #27
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Good topic, got me to reviewing first aid training & got to check whats in my small 1st aid kit.
Next put an AED on my list of things to buy. I see them running ~ $1200.
Not that much more expensive than tools and gadgets I spend on already.
Helps that the AEDs talk you thru how to use them on someone, more likely spouse or myself.
Also how the AED won't deliver a shock to someone it determines doesn't require it.
I haven't had a CPR / 1st aid class since 2009, before leaving work several years ago.
I do remember CPR can be physically demanding, can't stop it till EMS arrives.
Disclaimer - These are just my notes from my 1st aid classes in 2007, 2009 in Texas, just to show some of what gets taught.
Some CPR methods may have been updated since then.
It's a lot of information to remember(I sure can't), and classes are recommended.
Good Samaritan Laws: No Liability if:
1 Voluntarily provides assistance
2 Expects nothing in return
3 Is not "Grossly Negligent" in rendering 1st Aid
Can't get AIDS fm putting your mouth on a person's mouth
HIV is unstable, it dies in air & saliva contains some acid that helps to kill HIV
Hepatitis B is much more infectious than HIV, stays alive longer(3 days in dried blood) & has a higher concentration in the blood=6-30%, HIV <1%
Hep. B Vaccine doesn't give permanent immunity
Andrea says Hep B can change into Hep C
-Nitrile gloves protect
3 life threating emergencies: Breathing, Bleeding, Poisoning
1st Assess Accident situation to make sure it is Safe for me
SETUP=Stop, Environment, Traffic, Unknown Haz, Protect
Notify people person is hurt
Try to get response from unconsious person
Pick a person to call EMS & to wait for EMS
Check for Breathing by Chin Lift/Hand on forehead
Look, Listen, Feel for Breathing
If no breathing give 2 breaths
Look for signs of circulation - opens eyes, sits up, etc
-Told in 2-07 to skip 1st breaths, goto Chest Compressions
-Told in 3-09 told this still isn't approved by Red Cross
CHOKING
Hemleck Manuver
Ask the person if he can speak, does he need help
Make a fist, find bellybutton put fist just above & grasp fist with other hand & compress his belly Inward & Upward
Pregnant woman put your arms under her armpits & compress against sternum
Tell person to goto Dr. to check for broken ribs
If person goes unconcious, help lower them to ground on their back, ck for breathing, give 1 breath, if breath won't go
Straddle & push 2X with palm between bellybutton & ribs
Ck for breathing again, don't worry about pulse till he's breathing because w/o O2 circulation doesn't matter
INFANT to 1yr, CHILD 1-8yrs
Ck for breathing
Hold in crook of arm supporting head, turn onto belly & push between shoulder blades, turn over push w 2 fingers on chest. DON'T use finger in mouth as probably push object down
4-6 minutes before brain damage fm not breathing, no pulse
Avg response time for EMS in US ~11minutes
Check for pulse (can have pulse for ~1min w/o breathing)
CPR- Only 17-23% of people survive with CPR
AED - Automatic Electric Defibulator 97% effective
AED won't allow a shock unless it determines its required
It will give max of 3 shocks TTL
CPR
CPR Compressions Only = 100 Compressions / minute = FAST
**Likely to break ribs during CPR, continue CPR
If alone give CPR for 1 minute, then call EMS & resume CPR
Hand Placement
Infant & now adults can place hand intersection center of chest & line between nipples
Complications fm CPR
Bruising, broken bones, vomiting fm air pushed into stomach
AED 2-07 Sherri with Cintas
Only way to stop fibrulation is to DeFib them
Move shirt & bra off body where pads go
Turn On AED, follow its directions
Place pads on person, plug them into AED
Place chest pad above nipple line
Pads are interchangable w EMS & other AEDs
Leave pads on - hospital will remove pads w solvent
AED will only give a shock if heart is in fibrulation
Once put pads on Never take it off (has super sticky glue)
Also AED will continue to monitor the person
AED has 5yr / 380 Shocks Batts ~$85 Self ck every day @ 0333
BLEEDING
Telfa Pads are good to put over wounds/scrapes/light burn
Telfa Pads don't stick to the wound
BURNS BURNS
1st Degree: Sunburn, Redness
2nd Degree: Forms Blisters
3rd Degree: Upper Tissue destroyed
4th Degree: entire part of body destroyed, like during War
Burns continue to heat for about 20 minutes
So on 2nd degree, if immediately cool for 20 minutes, or put GelPack, or Juice fm Aloe plant can reduce to 1st degree
HEAT RELATED INJURY
1st -Muscle Cramps
2nd -Heat Exhaustion - Sweating Heavily, splotchy face, headache, nausea
-Get in shade, drink lots of water, cool body
3rd -Heat Stroke - Stop Sweating, body hot, nausea, vomiting
-Can pack core in ice
HEART HEART ATTACK
Women symptoms- Fatigue, Anxiety, back or stomach pain, chest tighness
Men, - Shortness of breath, chest pain/pressure, shoulder/neck pain
Most major heart attacks occur after a meal
Fibrulating - heart is quivering. Pulse then & threadlike/none
Indigestion symptoms similar to heart attack symptons
Stomach & heart are close to each other & Vegas nerve runs behind them & up left shoulder to jaw area. It can be irritated by indigestion.
HYPOTHERMIA
1st symptoms: Chills, uncontrollable shivering
As progresses, hard to walk, talk
Medic-First Aid has to be renewed every 2 years
Instructor said Vinyl doesn't provide protection against viruses, whereas Latex does, latex is a problem for medical workers
SHOCK SHOCK
1st signs: Uneasy look, uncomfortable look, sweating, cold clammy skin
-Lay person down & elevate legs to get blood back to heart
-Keep warm w blankets, don't overheat
-Giving Oxygen is beneficial
Fainting: Blood PSI drops & not enough blood reaches the Brain- Gene
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12-26-2017, 06:56 AM #28
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The idea of carrying an AED is very appealing. I did a quick look at Amazon.com and they seem to start around $1200 and go up. Ebay, though, has used and reconditioned units starting at a couple of hundred bucks and going up from there. I have to wonder if a used unit, with fresh battery, might be a good value. Anyone know anything about them?
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Pretty good little refresher Kim and Gene.
Another fun thing is Acute Mountain Sickness, also known as altitude sickness. I am at 7000 feet. When folks from GA FL TX etc come to Park City to ski they often don't take the thinner air into consideration. It is difficult for them to breathe. The climate is drier. They come from relatively warm environment to a cold environment. AMS is essentially oxygen depravation and dehydration. It sneaks up on people.
It's easily prevented by not pushing to hard, drinking lots of water, and drinking less alcohol.Dallas
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12-26-2017, 03:19 PM #30
[QUOTE=D2Reid;141370]Pretty good little refresher Kim and Gene.
Another fun thing is Acute Mountain Sickness, also known as altitude sickness. I am at 7000 feet. When folks from GA FL TX etc come to Park City to ski they often don't take the thinner air into consideration. It is difficult for them to breathe. The climate is drier. They come from relatively warm environment to a cold environment. AMS is essentially oxygen depravation and dehydration. It sneaks up on people.
It's easily prevented by not pushing to hard, drinking lots of water, and drinking less alcohol.[/QUOTE]
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