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    Chevy 2500HD Duramax pulling a 337RLS?

    Looking at a 2017 337RLS, moving up from 297RSTS. Would like to hear form those pulling 337 or like with a 3/4 ton. Seem to be slightly over on weight when figured one way and under when figured another. We know that most tow with 1 tons, but buying a new truck is not in the near term for us.

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    Your best bet is to look at the payload sticker on the driver side door post and tell us what that says as far as payload capacity or CCC Cargo Carrying Capacity. Normally a diesel 3/4T truck has a pretty low payload number....2100-2200 lbs. If that's the case, the empty weight of the trailer will put you right at the maximum payload capacity of the truck. Let us know your actual payload number.
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    We started out with a Sierra 2500HD CC SB D/A and our 337... too much trailer for the truck in terms of pin weight. The 337 can easily put over 3,000 lbs. on the pin. We were always having to weigh and off-load stuff. It would get down the road just fine, but there wasn't a safety margin. When we had an opportunity to trade for a DRW 1-ton, we jumped on it. I would advise going with a smaller trailer unless you're willing to move up to a truck with more payload. There are a number of members on the forum who belong to the "Two-Timers' Club" - those who had to buy a two vehicle twice for the same reasons.

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    Lots of 2500 diesels pulling 5th wheels on the road. Many long threads on same question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob/OlallaWA View Post
    Lots of 2500 diesels pulling 5th wheels on the road. Many long threads on same question.
    Lots of folks towing overloaded too. Some just simply don't know any better, some just don't care. At least the O.P. is asking and he hopefully realizes that it's too much trailer for his truck. That trailer has a GVWR of ~14,000 lbs. 20% of that is 2800 lbs of pin weight.........on a truck that likely has a payload in the very low 20s. Care to justify that for us Bob?
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    Well for starters you are throwing out numbers that are just numbers that may or not be actual. He doesn’t have to be at gross weight limit on the trailer does he. He also doesn’t show his truck empty weight. Justify what, I don’t think I recommend he tow anything over limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob/OlallaWA View Post
    Well for starters you are throwing out numbers that are just numbers that may or not be actual. He doesnít have to be at gross weight limit on the trailer does he. He also doesnít show his truck empty weight. Justify what, I donít think I recommend he tow anything over limit.
    Truck empty weight is the same thing as payload capacity, they both add together to get the 10k GVWR of the truck. If you know one, you know the other. Long story short, he WILL be over the truck GVWR. The pin weight of these fifth wheels ARE heavier than they are advertised because people tend to put stuff in their trailers. In those front closets and pass through storage bays - both of which contribute healthily to the pin weight.

    He will be over his truck GVWR/payload even though he may be under the axle and tire ratings. If you are over on any one rating, you are over for the truck. Period.

    I sold my 8 month old 2018 GMC 2500HD Denali Duramax for this reason. It was a fine truck and would have done the job with just about any travel trailer out there - but once we were looking at fifth wheels (which we thought we would never do when buying the first truck - lol) getting the 3500HD was a no brainer. Didn't think twice about it. Did lose $10k for the privilege though. As soon as I looked at the door sticker on my 2500HD I pretty much regretted not having just got the 3500HD out of the gate. Thought I would have 2530# payload due to the marketing brochure - my truck had 2144# payload.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob/OlallaWA View Post
    Well for starters you are throwing out numbers that are just numbers that may or not be actual. He doesn’t have to be at gross weight limit on the trailer does he. He also doesn’t show his truck empty weight. Justify what, I don’t think I recommend he tow anything over limit.
    Did you miss the part that I wrote about...."even if the trailer is empty"....he'll still be over the payload capacity of the truck? It gets worse after that when he starts loading the trailer.
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    If in fact the unit he is looking at empty is outside the payload limit of his pu he should reconsider. I was not aware of that fact. I do think you should be using real numbers instead of guesstimates when telling someone how to spend their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob/OlallaWA View Post
    If in fact the unit he is looking at empty is outside the payload limit of his pu he should reconsider. I was not aware of that fact. I do think you should be using real numbers instead of guesstimates when telling someone how to spend their money.
    Two things. It is a well known fact that most 3/4T DIESEL truck's have a payload in the 2100 - 2200 lb range. My previous truck, a F250, diesel, 4x4 CrewCab XLT ( not even a Lariat or King Ranch, or Platinum), had a whopping 2148 lbs of payload. The fancier versions would have been even less. You might say I have a bit of experience in that regard.

    Second thing.....all it takes is a quick Google search for the trailer in question to find, in this case, the Grand Design page for THAT trailer, If you scroll down that page, the list the empty weight of the trailer as well as the GVWR for the trailer. Using a very common number of 20% of the empty weight of the trailer to calculate the pin weight that will be on the truck, it's easy to see that number will exceed the payload capacity of the truck if the truck is like 99% of the other 3/4T DIESEL trucks. So do I know his truck's payload capacity....Nope, he never posted it. But, I did tell him to check it to know for sure....and I did tell him that most trucks like that will have a very low payload number....and I did tell him that if his truck is like that, even the empty trailer pin weight would overload his truck.

    Actually knowing the numbers is on HIM, not me. All I can do, as others have done, is try to steer him in the right direction before he makes a very expensive MISTAKE....like I did several years ago with my F250 purchase.

    I have spent many hours educating myself about towing dynamics and feel perfectly comfortable giving solid advice about truck/trailer combinations and whether or not that particular combination will fit into the criteria to safely tow AND to stay within the manufacturer's weight capacities.....all of them....GVWR, FAWR, RAWR, GCVWR, Payload, Towing Capacity, and Tire Load Capacity ratings.
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