Interesting video on payload capacity for a Dodge 2500 and a Reflection 230RL

[grampscamper]

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...D&&FORM=VRDGAR


The last part of this video talks about payload and pin weight of the Reflection.

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All I can say is that if he was really surprised that it was going to be overloaded on the payload numbers, he is either a total newbie or he doesn't have a clue because lack of experience and/or research.

[grampscamper]

All I can say is that if he was really surprised that it was going to be overloaded on the payload numbers, he is either a total newbie or he doesn't have a clue because lack of experience and/or research.

I would agree. I wasn't at all surprised. That's why I have an F350.

[Big Blue]

I'm a little confused about the whole payload discussions... IMHO... Payload is simply a function of tires and springs... and therefore a balance between a comfortable ride and being able to tow heavy stuff... Again IMHO the idea a dodge 2500 cummins can't tow a 230RL is ridiculous... adding a camper package ( overload springs ) should be mandatory for all 2500's that are actually used as a pickup..... But as my wife often points out I'm stuck in the 1990's, ... Norm

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I'm a little confused about the whole payload discussions... IMHO... Payload is simply a function of tires and springs... and therefore a balance between a comfortable ride and being able to tow heavy stuff... Again IMHO the idea a dodge 2500 cummins can't tow a 230RL is ridiculous... adding a camper package ( overload springs ) should be mandatory for all 2500's that are actually used as a pickup..... But as my wife often points out I'm stuck in the 1990's, ... Norm

Payload numbers are based on more factors than the two items you mentioned.....tires and springs. Engineers look at the entire picture, which does include tires and springs, but it also includes frame strength, axle load ratings, brakes, and probably other things that I'm not listing. Then a determination is made to assign a payload number that is basically the GVWR - the actual weight of the truck as it leaves the production line. An example of this....10,000 lb GVWR, truck weight off of the assembly line ...7950.....Payload...2050 lbs. Of course every truck is going to have a different payload number as it will depend on the trim level of the truck and the weight of all of the "stuff" that's on the truck when it was built. Unfortunately, most of us are looking for a truck that has the amenities on it....power everything, 4WD, Diesel, etc. That is why a base model truck will have more payload than a loaded up one of the same year, model, cab, etc.

[CWSWine]

I'm a little confused about the whole payload discussions... IMHO... Payload is simply a function of tires and springs... and therefore a balance between a comfortable ride and being able to tow heavy stuff... Again IMHO the idea a dodge 2500 cummins can't tow a 230RL is ridiculous... adding a camper package ( overload springs ) should be mandatory for all 2500's that are actually used as a pickup..... But as my wife often points out I'm stuck in the 1990's, ... Norm

I currently own a Class A with Cummins 6.7 360 HP and 800 Torque and Motorhome has GCWR of 46,700 lbs so I guess the 900 HP and 1000 torque engine should pull a GCWR somewhere in the 50,000 to 60,000 pounds.

The lady at the DMV can not recertify your F250 from a Class 2 truck to Class 3 truck. In my state, I. can register an F150 for 80,000 pounds but that doesn't make it safe and only means I pay more for my registration.



Here is what NETA says about GVWR.


"By Bob Raybuck
Director of Technical Services
NTEA
Often, GVWR and gross vehicle weight (GVW) are thought to be the same, but they are not. A truck’s GVWR is the maximum weight rating established by the chassis manufacturer. GVW is the total weight of the truck and payload at a point in time.

There’s a common misconception that a truck’s GVWR is determined by adding gross axle weight ratings (GAWRs) together for all axles. Although this was a common way of calculating GVWR many years ago, it’s no longer an accurate method. The chassis manufacturer task of establishing a vehicle GVWR is much more difficult today due to advancement of safety system standards and how vehicles meet these requirements. This is why many trucks have a GVWR much lower than the combined axle ratings. It is not uncommon for a truck with a GVWR of 19,500 pounds to have a front axle rated at 7,500 pounds and a rear axle rated at 14,700 pounds. Safety standards that apply to braking, vehicle stability, and chassis manufacturer internal standards for durability, dynamic stability and handling can restrict GVWR even though the sum of the axle ratings exceeds 22,000 pounds. In this instance, the OEM set the GVWR at 19,500 pounds based on test results and vehicle dynamic performance to ensure a safe, reliable truck.

By Bob Raybuck 
Director of Technical Services
NTEA “

https://drivewyze.com/blog/trucking-...g-work-trucks/

https://www.ntea.com/NTEA/Member_ben...rk_trucks.aspx

[psdxoh]

I'm a little confused about the whole payload discussions... IMHO... Payload is simply a function of tires and springs... and therefore a balance between a comfortable ride and being able to tow heavy stuff...

.....ahhhh not exactly so. The frame, axles, brakes, differential are examples of important components that factor into the GVWR (cargo capacity = GVWR-actual truck weight).

[Big Blue]

psdxoh, Fair bit of reading between the quote and your reply... I should have been more clear that I was referring to a 2019 Ram 2500 with a Cummins... Factory Spec allow that truck to tow a travel trailer over twice the weight of my Reflection 230RL.... with the same brakes, rear end, frame and transmission.... The difference of course is the 5th wheels pin weight....riding on the rear springs..... If I really wanted that truck ( I don't ) I'd look into heavier springs.....

[phonemannn]

3/4 ton with 2K payload?
How much weight can a Ford f350 carry in the bed?
With an SRW and 2WD the 6.7L Turbo-Diesel engine can tow up to 18,000 pounds and has a max payload rating of 7,640 pounds and when equipped with a DRW the 6.7L engine can tow a maximum of 21,000 pounds.Sep 18, 2018

Maximum conventional towing with F-250 and F-350 single-rear wheel models with the OEM's new trailer tow package boosted to 18,000 lbs.; A maximum gooseneck tow rating of 32,500 lbs. for the Ford F-450 Super Duty SuperCrew 4x4, with maximum fifth-wheel towing increased to 27,500 lbs.Jul 18, 2016

The payload tag has nothing to do with legality. That's just the GVWR minus the curb weight leaving the factory. I would trust the tag over the paperwork in terms of the payload math, but you can generally legally load to whatever you pay on the registration.

I'm in the camp that thinks the payload tag tends to be pretty meaningless and causes more confusion than it prevents. Axle, tire and wheel ratings are the important numbers as far as I'm concerned.

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3/4 ton with 2K payload?
How much weight can a Ford f350 carry in the bed?
With an SRW and 2WD the 6.7L Turbo-Diesel engine can tow up to 18,000 pounds and has a max payload rating of 7,640 pounds and when equipped with a DRW the 6.7L engine can tow a maximum of 21,000 pounds.Sep 18, 2018

Maximum conventional towing with F-250 and F-350 single-rear wheel models with the OEM's new trailer tow package boosted to 18,000 lbs.; A maximum gooseneck tow rating of 32,500 lbs. for the Ford F-450 Super Duty SuperCrew 4x4, with maximum fifth-wheel towing increased to 27,500 lbs.Jul 18, 2016

The payload tag has nothing to do with legality. That's just the GVWR minus the curb weight leaving the factory. I would trust the tag over the paperwork in terms of the payload math, but you can generally legally load to whatever you pay on the registration.

I'm in the camp that thinks the payload tag tends to be pretty meaningless and causes more confusion than it prevents. Axle, tire and wheel ratings are the important numbers as far as I'm concerned.

There are so many mistakes in what you posted, I really don't even have the time to start clarifying....or the determination to do so. My advice is to go back and read ALL the footnotes on the numbers.