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12-06-2019, 08:46 PM #51
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12-06-2019, 08:56 PM #52
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Sounds to me like they were just looking at the stickers for GVWR and then seeing if truck was capable of the GVWR of the trailer. That, to me, I would think would be contestable. My truck doesn't have to be capable of handling the full GVWR of the trailer, it only has to be capable of handling the trailer at the weight I have it loaded to.
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12-06-2019, 09:00 PM #53
Don't confuse weight police inspections familiar to commercial drivers versus safety inspections that may or may not have scaling done and apply to all. PA has these flavors since we're a safety inspection State, and I should mention we both wore PA plates. If you want a fun squirrel, read the promulgated language about weigh stations in PA and decide what the letter of it says for recreational vehicles... Heck, up until this year 5er owners had to register combination. Thankfully we had some great RV dealers lobby that be changed saving much $!
Anyway, I really don't know if they scaled them or found a registration class mismatch drawing an on-paper conclusion for citation. I can tell you it was a 2500 Duramax and there was no Class 2 sticker on the windshield, which is what a 2500 would start at here, when we drove around them. Also, about a year, maybe two now, you can no longer register your truck at a lower rating legally in PA. I can also tell you if you don't have the proper Class DL for your rig, and the officer realizes this, you have to have it moved by one who does.
For PA, fellow dually owners can thank hot-shot haulers for Troopers paying closer attention along truck routes! I have been stopped three different times the last year and a half hauling my big enclosed car trailer across the State to verify I'm not hauling commercial. I've owned the trailer 8 years and never stopped prior.
As for the signature, I do have one. It only shows when posting in advanced from the mobile platform, which I rarely do favoring quick replies.Rob & Nikki + Cloverfield
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12-06-2019, 09:17 PM #54
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None of that is determinable by looking a stickers. The sticker on the trailer doesn't even state the empty pin weight so no way to determine truck weight without scales. My guess by the details provided is that they were conducting spot safety checks (check the chains and whatnot) and looking at the stickers to make sure the vehicles were registered properly. At least here you have to be plated to at least the GVWR of the truck and or trailer. (which is the reason Ford offers de-rating options) We had a big push around here a couple of years ago with plow trucks with salt spreaders. People were running B plates (under 8K) to avoid the (at the time) twice annual safety lane requirement and cheaper registration. A bunch of tickets were written but none had anything to do with the payload sticker. They were for running over their registered weight.
Every time I have looked into "overweight" tickets its always turned out to be for over registered weight. The state wants their money. Still have yet to hear of a single case of a overweight situation related to the payload sticker.2021 Solitude 375 RES-R
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12-06-2019, 09:30 PM #55
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12-06-2019, 09:30 PM #56
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All about the benjamins.
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12-06-2019, 09:33 PM #57
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I wasn't, this follow up sounds like it confirms what I was thinking. The first post could have been taken that they were getting in trouble for being overweight in regards to the payload sticker when it looks like they were in trouble for being over registered weight. I see that around here all the time, B plates on diesel trucks, they're "overweight" empty. (we have different plates not stickers on windshields). Luckily they just extended our safety lane inspections out to once a year from twice. A little less annoying for the 20 second walk around to check turn signals and brake lights and write them a check for a new safety sticker.
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12-06-2019, 09:38 PM #58
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I would guess the trailer had nothing to do with it. If he wasn't registered for the GVWR of the truck then that's all that matters.
Exactly right all they want is the money for the heavier registration and "safety inspections" if they apply in said state. I could put any plate I wanted on my truck, I have considered upping to f plates (16K) just another $100 per year and the inspections are the same.Last edited by JKellerJr; 12-06-2019 at 09:48 PM.
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12-07-2019, 04:44 PM #59
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Well, went by the dealer today to take a look at a 350 duallie. Nice truck. However, while there, I picked up the 2020 Superduty guide and was quite surprised to see the my truck, (4x4, 3.55 gears, diesel, 160" WB) is being rated at 19,100 lbs this year for 5th wheel towing up from ~15,000 on my 19. That's quite an uplift and would put the total weight of the trailer well within the capabilities. Now, of course, there's still the "pin problem" which, given the derate on the 250, I'm 99% sure would still push you into overloaded, but, asking the dealer "what changed", and he had a long list to go through, but nothing on axles, wheels/tires or springs. The more I read out this, the more I think these numbers are just make believe, did the 2020 magically really just add 5K or towing capacity or did someone just look at the competition and decide "time to up the numbers".
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12-07-2019, 05:10 PM #60
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That yellow sticker shows cargo capacity for the tires and pressure that it came from the factory with. Upgrade the tires and that cargo number goes up. At least that’s how a trucker explained it to me. Maximum gross weight - vehicle weight = cargo weight. Look at the white sticker.
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