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02-12-2020, 07:43 AM #11
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I would be carful with pin weight especially with 2020 trucks. My 2020 single wheel F350 7.3 yellow sticker says 3859. I agree with most, you're in dual rear wheel territory.
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02-12-2020, 09:17 AM #12
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Hi NASCAR9,
What do you mean by "I would be carful with pin weight especially with 2020 trucks" ? The 2020 trucks are showing higher payloads that the 2019's. Are you saying that the new payloads are suspect?
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02-12-2020, 09:53 AM #13
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I can't speak for NASCAR9, but I did notice that the GVWR for the F-350 CCLB SRW diesel jumped from 11500# to 12400# in 2020. It looks like the rear GAWR stayed the same at 7230#. I think these payloads are getting high enough now that you could possibly run into the rear axle limits prior to exceeding the payload capacity (with fifth-wheels). I don't know about GM/RAM but the one Ford looks like it is getting close. If you haven't already, it is definitely worth adding a row to your pre-purchase spreadsheet to check the rear axle load vs rated capacity.
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previously - Reflection 28BH, Intech Pursue
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02-12-2020, 07:33 PM #14
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The 2020 trucks are very capable with much higher load carrying/towing ability. I don't think they changed anything to get the higher loads. If you're thinking about a trailer that will have a pin weight and passengers 4k or more in my opinion that's dually territory. My 2020 F350 CCSB has 11,300# GVWR, 3859 pin, and 27,500 GCWR. On the CAT scale I'm at 9,500 GVWR, 2400~ pin, and 18,460 GCWR. I try and keep my trucks at 75% ~ of any max, so I have good all around performance.
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02-12-2020, 07:43 PM #15
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02-12-2020, 07:59 PM #16
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My truck 7.3 gas with 1/2 tank by itself weighs 7220, 4100 steer and 3120 drive.
With the 303RLS 4060 steer, 5440 drive, trailer 8960, Total 18,460. 2320 actual pin.
I don't want to get off the OP topic.
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02-12-2020, 08:40 PM #17
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02-13-2020, 07:38 AM #18
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That yellow sticker which most guys think is the end all BUT that sticker is only for DMV. That is so a guy can pay a lower registration fee. Thats it. That yellow sticker means nothing in the real world. I bet there isn't a law regarding that sticker ether. The truck comes with 7,000 pound axles and then your tires have a load index of 3,638 pounds. Those are the real world numbers. Those are safe operating conditions for those 2 parts. Some trucks have larger axles so they can haul more. I am just using my truck as a example. Your truck may be different. The most important number is the GCVWR. You add the weight of the truck and trailer together and don't exceed the manufactures number. That number doesn't have anything to do with DMV. Had to do with the truck. There isn't a truck out there than can stop a 10,000 trailer without trailer brakes. It can slow it down but it would be like stopping a train it would take a while.
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02-13-2020, 07:45 AM #19
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02-13-2020, 08:03 AM #20
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Your thought process and math is used by many to determine what there capacities are ... engineers might disagree and I surly could not explain why simply adding the 2 axles together does not determine your GVWR .... that GVWR is the number that the manufacturer has determined you should not exceed .... I think many other components are used along with axles to determine that yellow sticker ... I want to be clear I am no member of the weight police I just try to explain how the numbers on your tow vehicle and camper add up based on established industry guidelines ..... later Frank
Frank & Cindy --- S Class Solitude 2930RL-R ---2019 Ram 3500 Cummins 6.7 SRW 4x4 8' bed---Remi & Sage traveling Pomskies ---TST 507 TPMS ... B&W Patriot 18K---3.73 axle ... Predator 3500--Backflip MX4---48 days 2019---51 days camped 2020---***Payload 4394***
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