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    Go down to page 23. Look at the numbers for the F250 and 350 SRW trucks. They are exactly the same.
    https://www.ford.com/services/assets...Duty&year=2015
    No mention of different springs brakes axles same truck like I said.
    You can add the camper package BUT it's still the same truck. Same payload+
    It's in the owners manual also

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsmithrr View Post
    I'm planning on getting a 310GKR empty weight 12100 GVWR 15000 empty hitch weight 2350. I have a 2020 2500HD TD GVWR 11350, GCWR 27500, Max trailer 18500. The vin trailer tag says max payload is 3048. If the hith is Figuring 250 for hitch, gas and passengers are 650. It doesn't look like I can pull it even empty. Any comments. Is anyone pulling 15000 pounds with a 2500hd
    I'm towing a 310GK with a 2019 RAM 2500 TD. Not a problem. My RAM is equipted with factory air suspension. When I hook up the 310GK the suspension squats 1.75", then the auto level kicks in and it's back to level.

    I believe one of the biggest difference between the 2500 and the 3500 are the rear springs. The 2500 has coils and the 3500 has leafs.

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    Shortly after purchasing our 310GK in 2018 we traded in our 2012 GMC 3/4 for a 2018 GMC 1 ton Dually and have never regretted doing so. Not sure if you really need dually with 310GK but you might on your next 5th wheel. We had our solitude weighed at a GD Rally and the tongue weighed in at 3000 lbs and we were at the 15000 lb limit. I know it might be difficult to step down to a Reflection but financially that may be your best bet. There are a lot of people on this form that really like their Reflection and cannot justify the price difference for a Solitude.

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    I tow a 2020 349m with my 2017 2500 HD no problem at all.

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    These 3/4 ton Vs. 1 ton conversations will end soon because manufacturers are no longer interested in capping the 250/2500 GVWR at 10,000 pounds. It has always been a regulatory issue, never a true capability issue. It has always been possible to equip 250/2500 trucks to be identical, or nearly so, to a 350/3500 SRW. The difference was that the 250/2500 GVWR was always capped at 10,000 lbs. 10,000 pounds is a Class 2 truck, 10,001 pounds is a Class 3; potentially different registration, insurance, licensing, etc.

    Did anyone notice that the OP has a 2020 GM 2500 with a GVWR of 11,300 pounds. That is 200 lbs. less than a 2019 F350. If he upgraded to a 3500 SRW, he would have a GVWR of 11,800 pounds. I'm no expert on GM trucks, but would be willing to bet that his 2500 will tow (and stop) a 310GK exactly like a 3500 SWR. His only real upgrade is to go DRW and I seriously doubt he is going to trade in a brand new 2500. My personal opinion? Even the lightest Solitudes are pushing the capability of a SRW (250/2500 or 350/3500) truck but they are be a perfectly suitable, if not ideal, TV for a 310GK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    These 3/4 ton Vs. 1 ton conversations will end soon because manufacturers are no longer interested in capping the 250/2500 GVWR at 10,000 pounds. It has always been a regulatory issue, never a true capability issue. It has always been possible to equip 250/2500 trucks to be identical, or nearly so, to a 350/3500 SRW. The difference was that the 250/2500 GVWR was always capped at 10,000 lbs. 10,000 pounds is a Class 2 truck, 10,001 pounds is a Class 3; potentially different registration, insurance, licensing, etc.

    Did anyone notice that the OP has a 2020 GM 2500 with a GVWR of 11,300 pounds. That is 200 lbs. less than a 2019 F350. If he upgraded to a 3500 SRW, he would have a GVWR of 11,800 pounds. I'm no expert on GM trucks, but would be willing to bet that his 2500 will tow (and stop) a 310GK exactly like a 3500 SWR. His only real upgrade is to go DRW and I seriously doubt he is going to trade in a brand new 2500. My personal opinion? Even the lightest Solitudes are pushing the capability of a SRW (250/2500 or 350/3500) truck but they are be a perfectly suitable, if not ideal, TV for a 310GK.
    I would agree ... only 2 Solitude's I would tow with my Ram 3500 SRW long bed are the 310 and 2930 ... the advantage I have is when shopping for a SRW 3500 I only looked at trucks with a GVWR of 12300 that give me the cushion I need to tow either of those 2 .... hope you are correct about manufacturers moving up the GVWR of these 3/4 ton truck .. later Frank
    Frank & Cindy --- S Class Solitude 2930RL-R ---2019 Ram 3500 Cummins 6.7 SRW 4x4 8' bed---Remi & Sage traveling Pomskies ---TST 507 TPMS ... B&W Patriot 18K---3.73 axle ... Predator 3500--Backflip MX4---48 days 2019---51 days camped 2020---***Payload 4394***

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank4711 View Post
    hope you are correct about manufacturers moving up the GVWR of these 3/4 ton trucks
    No hope required. You can now buy a 2020 GM 2500 with an 11,300 pound GVWR or a 2020 F250 with a 10,800 GVWR. The GM is a full redesign, so not sure what all went in to increasing the GVWR. The F250 on the other hand is an arbitrary increase. Ford did nothing to actually increase it's load carrying capability. The 10,000 lbs. GVWR was an artificial limit applied to keep the F250 a Class 2 truck and they obviously felt secure enough to increase that artificially low rating by 500 lbs. without re-engineering anything other than the stickers. RAM will follow suit and I expect Ford to eventually offer the option to get an F250 with a GVWR to meet or exceed GM. They are constantly trying to one-up each other. That's what the Big 3 do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    No hope required. You can now buy a 2020 GM 2500 with an 11,300 pound GVWR or a 2020 F250 with a 10,800 GVWR. The GM is a full redesign, so not sure what all went in to increasing the GVWR. The F250 on the other hand is an arbitrary increase. Ford did nothing to actually increase it's load carrying capability. The 10,000 lbs. GVWR was an artificial limit applied to keep the F250 a Class 2 truck and they obviously felt secure enough to increase that artificially low rating by 500 lbs. without re-engineering anything other than the stickers. RAM will follow suit and I expect Ford to eventually offer the option to get an F250 with a GVWR to meet or exceed GM. They are constantly trying to one-up each other. That's what the Big 3 do!
    That is good news the 3/4 ton folks need a break ... later Frank
    Frank & Cindy --- S Class Solitude 2930RL-R ---2019 Ram 3500 Cummins 6.7 SRW 4x4 8' bed---Remi & Sage traveling Pomskies ---TST 507 TPMS ... B&W Patriot 18K---3.73 axle ... Predator 3500--Backflip MX4---48 days 2019---51 days camped 2020---***Payload 4394***

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    The problem is mostly with the dreaded yellow sticker. It says in the booklet that i can tow 16,100 pounds with a 5th wheel trailer but I don't have enough payload left according to the yellow sticker. This makes absolutely no sense to me.
    When you see that you have 7,000 pound axles in the rear end but I can only carry 2,300 in the bed. In theory I cant tow more than a 10,000 trailer.
    I don't see the back of my truck weighing more than 3,000 pounds and that should leave 4,000 left for payload.
    This 10,000 crap drives me nuts. Some guys just don't get it.
    I got my information from the white safety sticker on my truck just so you know where i got my information.
    I also found in my owners manual some interesting information about both stickers.
    It would appear that the yellow sticker pertains to just the load in the truck and not with a trailer. It says that the truck can stop a loaded 10,000 pound truck, but when you hook up the trailer than you go by the white sticker.
    It says that the brakes are capable of stopping the truck with a 10,000 pound load safely. When you tow the trailer needs it's own brakes.
    I guess some guys think the yellow sticker is the end all but if you read the manual it tells you the difference. It's in the towing section in the Ford book.
    Last edited by The Bone; 02-20-2020 at 11:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoChris View Post
    I pull our 310GK with a Diesel SRW F350 (GVWR 11,500#). Truck & trailer in signature. I consider it it the min truck/max trailer for this combination. Our 310GK has no options (no generator, washer/dryer, dual pane windows,etc.) so pretty much the min. I typically carry 20~30 gallons fresh water and we pack moderately light. We typically camp for 4 to 6 weeks at a time. My typical numbers (loaded - from multiple CAT scales over 2 years)

    Truck (full tanks, B&W Companion hitch, hard tonneau cover, wife & i, with trailer)
    front 5,220# (5,990# FAWR)
    Rear 6,420# (7,230# RAWR)
    Total 11,640#

    Trailer
    Pin 2,880# (already included in truck rear axle weigh)
    Axles 10,700#
    Total 13,580#

    UVW 12,283# (from dealer. battery & full propane. Otherwise empty trailer)

    Just my numbers. Your numbers will vary. I am comfortable pulling the trailer, but I also feel I am maxing out the truck for capacity and margin. You have to decide what you are comfortable with.

    My F350 diesel payload rating is 3,253#. From your 3,048#, I assume you have a gas engine. That sounds about right for a 3/4 ton.

    Chris
    My 2020 2500hd with a 6.6 Turbo diesel has
    GVWR 11350
    RGAWR 6600
    Front 5600
    curb weight 8307
    max capacity 3043
    As far as I can tell the only difference between the 2500hd and the 3500hd is the leaf springs at the rear end. The RGAWR and max payload both go up by about 700

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