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    Do we have to dually?????

    Currently looking and very seriously considering the Solitude 310GK-R. Let's assume for simplicity we would max out our GVWR at 15,000 with every trip. We would also get this 5th wheeler with a generator which I'm assuming would add pin weight.

    We currently do not have a truck, and the more I read about payload, curb weight, GVWR, GCWR, axels etc.......the more I'm confused

    I'm not trying to start a "brand war" I'm simply trying to figure out if a 2020 Chevy, GMC or Ford (not a Ram fan) 350 diesel SRW can safely handle the loaded 310GK-R or do we have to look at a DRW?? In the truck we would be carrying 5 people =750 lbs

    I understand the notion that "you can never have too much truck" but since this is our daily driver vehicle we would rather have a SRW.

    Thanks to all for your time and wisdom!

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    a SRW with 12500 GVWR might just be under but my guess is you need a DRW ... later Frank
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    For comparison purposes, the front half of my 3740BH is pretty similar to your 310GK. I have the Onan Generator installed. I have the washer and dryer installed in the front closet. I have a decent load of tools and gear in the passthrough. I swapped out the LCI pinbox for a Reese GooseBox. My pin weight is a hair over 4000#.

    I would strongly recommend a DRW if you are going to spend a fair amount of time towing the trailer.
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    DRW for sure.......

    Can be a P.I.T.A. as a daily driver, but I'm pretty used to it (this is my second F350 DRW)....parking in parking lots can be challenging, but I park on outskirts of lot, take two spots and make the walk.....which is supposed to be good for me.

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    The front of my 375 is the same as the 310, I too have the generator and W/D but mine has the outdoor slide out kitchen as well. With basically nothing in the front bay I'm at 3900 lb pin weight. Better start shopping for a dually.
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    Loaded pin weight on the 310 should be a little over 3k. I tow with a dually because I have another truck as a daily driver and I really like the stability. I think , however , a new one ton SRW with payload in the low 4K range would be fine. Comparing a 310 to 40+ foot RVs is a little tough. Axle placement will make a huge difference in pin weight , even if the front buildout is the same. Both of the ones mentioned are heavier empty than I am loaded for a two week trip. Search 310 pin weight and there is a good thread with numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfowler55 View Post
    Loaded pin weight on the 310 should be a little over 3k. I tow with a dually because I have another truck as a daily driver and I really like the stability. I think , however , a new one ton SRW with payload in the low 4K range would be fine. Comparing a 310 to 40+ foot RVs is a little tough. Axle placement will make a huge difference in pin weight , even if the front buildout is the same. Both of the ones mentioned are heavier empty than I am loaded for a two week trip. Search 310 pin weight and there is a good thread with numbers.
    Good luck , Charlie
    This is very true cfowler55, I wasn't thinking of that when I posted. A longer rig like mine will have the axles farther back by design and this will increase pin weight. The '20 Super Duty's do seem to be rated higher in payload and with careful loading would probably be fine. Pickleball good luck with your purchase, you will love the Solitudes, they are quite impressive inside and out.
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    The other side of the consideration... Are you going to be weekend warriors staying within a few hours drive of home? Will you be long haulers gone for a couple weeks at a time? Are you going full time? These are real considerations. That latter two would readily push to DRW.

    I personally don't think you'll find any SRW up to the task of that unit, 5 people, and loaded to camping form unless short, flatland trips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pickleball View Post
    Currently looking and very seriously considering the Solitude 310GK-R. Let's assume for simplicity we would max out our GVWR at 15,000 with every trip. We would also get this 5th wheeler with a generator which I'm assuming would add pin weight.

    We currently do not have a truck, and the more I read about payload, curb weight, GVWR, GCWR, axels etc.......the more I'm confused

    I'm not trying to start a "brand war" I'm simply trying to figure out if a 2020 Chevy, GMC or Ford (not a Ram fan) 350 diesel SRW can safely handle the loaded 310GK-R or do we have to look at a DRW?? In the truck we would be carrying 5 people =750 lbs

    I understand the notion that "you can never have too much truck" but since this is our daily driver vehicle we would rather have a SRW.

    Thanks to all for your time and wisdom!
    Search for "310GK weight" (search box int he upper right portion of each page) will turn up lots of discussions and data. If you max out the 310GK (15,000# GVW) and have heavy appliances in the front, your pin weight will probably be 3,100~3,200# range. That with 750# of people, you will need a payload of at least 3,850# or more likely above 4,000# for the extra "stuff" that always gets added (hitch is 120~250# unless it is an Anderson, tonneau cover, tools, firewood, etc.) Again, this is assuming you max out the Solitude. I think this is within the rated capacity of some SRW 2020 one ton truck BUT I suggest you look at actual payload stickers on real truck. The manufactures "pay load capacity" list in brochures is the maximum possible payload for a stripped truck. You capacity will be less.

    All of that being said
    1) A dually will be more stable and arguably "safer" than a SRW
    2) I tow our 310GK with a 2017 SRW F350 (see my signature). I do not max out the trailer, but am typically just under 14,000# (13,800~13,900#). I figure between myself and DW and "stuff" in the truck, I have about 788# in the truck plus 2,800~2,900# pin weight (from multiple CAT scale measurements). I am fine with this and a 2020 will most likely have a higher payload rating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickleball View Post
    Currently looking and very seriously considering the Solitude 310GK-R. Let's assume for simplicity we would max out our GVWR at 15,000 with every trip. We would also get this 5th wheeler with a generator which I'm assuming would add pin weight.

    We currently do not have a truck, and the more I read about payload, curb weight, GVWR, GCWR, axels etc.......the more I'm confused

    I'm not trying to start a "brand war" I'm simply trying to figure out if a 2020 Chevy, GMC or Ford (not a Ram fan) 350 diesel SRW can safely handle the loaded 310GK-R or do we have to look at a DRW?? In the truck we would be carrying 5 people =750 lbs

    I understand the notion that "you can never have too much truck" but since this is our daily driver vehicle we would rather have a SRW.

    Thanks to all for your time and wisdom!

    Normal pin weight for a 5th wheel is 21 to 23 %. If you calculate that 15000 even by 24% because of the washer and dryer your pin weight will be 3600. That very likely will be right at the max by the sticker on your door. If you do go with the SRW Get both truck and trailer weighed so you can adjust how you load so as to stay within the limits.
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