Towing Momentum 351m with F250 SRW short bed

[kmagnum425]

Anyone towing the 351m with a 2019 F250 SRW 4x4, tow package 6 3/4 bed? I have added set a super springs. All my numbers appear to be within guide lines but about maxed based on factory numbers, not considering what extra payload the super springs give me.

[BreakfastinAmerica]

I thought the big 3 had a 10k gvwr in the 3/4 ton trucks. You needed 1 ton to go over that sticker rating???

[xrated]

Anyone towing the 351m with a 2019 F250 SRW 4x4, tow package 6 3/4 bed? I have added set a super springs. All my numbers appear to be within guide lines but about maxed based on factory numbers, not considering what extra payload the super springs give me.

You mention being within guidelines based on factory numbers.....what exactly does that mean? The biggest obstacle to overcome when towing a 5th Wheel Camping trailer is Payload. So take a look on the driver side door post and tell us what you payload is for THAT truck. You also didn't mention whether the truck is a gasser or diesel, that will make a huge difference on the payload numbers. I suspect that you are overloaded, but having some factual numbers to show us will certainly answer a lot of questions.

And while we are on the payload topic, adding springs, air bags, Timbrens, etc, do absolutely nothing to increase the payload of any truck.

[Rgkeaney]

You mention being within guidelines based on factory numbers.....what exactly does that mean? The biggest obstacle to overcome when towing a 5th Wheel Camping trailer is Payload. So take a look on the driver side door post and tell us what you payload is for THAT truck. You also didn't mention whether the truck is a gasser or diesel, that will make a huge difference on the payload numbers. I suspect that you are overloaded, but having some factual numbers to show us will certainly answer a lot of questions.

And while we are on the payload topic, adding springs, air bags, Timbrens, etc, do absolutely nothing to increase the payload of any truck.

Absolutely correct.


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[larry0071]

He is so over his payload rating, even with a gas engine, that it's not even a little bit funny.

Assuming a gas version, he has 2900-3100 payload... 3100 would be a stripped down truck.

His camper has an advertised empty pin weight of 2785, call it 2900 with propane and a battery.

I bet he has bedding, clothes, food and all kinds of stuff in the cross through storage. His truck is so far under rated for this unit that it boarders on criminal negligence.

[Splatt]

Go to the toy hauler Facebook group, and see how they brag on their bro dozers, hauling 3 axle units.
I left the group....
My 3/4 ton pulls this with no problem....
Yeah, ok...

[xrated]

He is so over his payload rating, even with a gas engine, that it's not even a little bit funny.

Assuming a gas version, he has 2900-3100 payload... 3100 would be a stripped down truck.

His camper has an advertised empty pin weight of 2785, call it 2900 with propane and a battery.

I bet he has bedding, clothes, food and all kinds of stuff in the cross through storage. His truck is so far under rated for this unit that it boarders on criminal negligence.

I know that too, but was trying to give the benefit of doubt. I've been accused of being a member of "The Tow Police" before.....and realistically, I'm perfectly OK with it....but also trying to get more information from him in regard to actual numbers, then show him the facts.

[huntr70]

People want to try to hear justification for doing it wrong.

I just had a customer come in with a brand new Chevy 2500 truck that he bought specifically to haul a Bighorn front living 5th wheel that he ordered way back in March. I asked to see the stickers inside the door and he said that the truck dealer told him it will hold 4000lbs. When I finally got him to open the door, his weight was 3100lbs. Pretty darn high for a 2500, but not near enough for 3580 lbs dry pin weight of what they are getting. His response was, oh well, we aren't changing now.

My response was, you will have to sign a towing waiver dismissing us from any and all liability if you tow it out of here on that truck.

[larry0071]

I also see this time and again. And folks like kmagnum425 will likely not wish to respond because in this situation there is nothing you can do as a response that does not prove everyone else correct and prove yourself to be in the wrong.

He needs to open the drivers door, look at and take a picture of the yellow sticker... That will tell him the TOTAL PAYLOAD that includes his family body weight, anything he packs in the truck cab/bed, the 5th wheel hitch weight and the trailer pin weight. He will very quickly see just from that sticker that he is GROSSLY over the rating of the truck.

Then he would want to pay attention to the grey sticker in that drivers door jam, and take a look and picture of the rear axle load rating. Then hook to this trailer in it's loaded condition and with all the humans and junk he plans to take and get to a certified scale. Here.... at this scale.... he is going to have a stroke when he sees that he is maybe 1,000 lbs over the axle load rating as well as far over the tire load limit..... Or maybe he will not? Maybe he will not care at all. Maybe never hit a scale. If you never look, you'll never see it...

Then you have the mentality like what you see in this original post, the "I added XXX springs/airbags/Timbrens so now....." here you see that a truck owner assumes that his overloaded truck that is low in the rear due to being overloaded can now take on more than the rated weight because they "fixed" the sagging rear. The reason it sags to an extreme is because the springs are overburdened. If you are loaded within the engineering limits, it will sag to about level... and it needs no added hardware. If the weight distribution on a bumper pull is set up correctly, the front is not jacked up and the rear is leveled. It doesn't need additional hardware. But far to many folks feel that if you add some airbags to an overburdened truck, you can go far above the rated payload and axle weight ratings. Forget axles, brakes, frames, tires and wheels. You added some accessory springs, so your good to go now.

But that is a heck of a heavy weight unit on a 3/4 ton platform, dry weight 900 lbs over mine and I know I am pushing it with my payload and rear axle limits. But his... can also take on a toy in the garage the can weigh who knows how much and put even more load onto that unit and that truck.

Good luck kmagnum425. I truly hope you get many good and safe years of use from your toy collection. I also pray that you never hurt your own property, your own family or another innocent family. I am aware that many folks tow over all kinds of limits, some intentionally and some unbeknownst to them. Godspeed.

Larry and Dana.

[Rgkeaney]

I know that too, but was trying to give the benefit of doubt. I've been accused of being a member of "The Tow Police" before.....and realistically, I'm perfectly OK with it....but also trying to get more information from him in regard to actual numbers, then show him the facts.

To start, I agree with xrated above. Most people aren’t aware of the payload restrictions. Everyone needs to be aware as most simply look at towing capacity.

I’m one of those guys who believes that people need to make an informed decision and live with it. I pull a 31mb with a 2016 2500 ram diesel. Took it to the cat scales with trailer loaded with water and some supplies, but fridge not full. Truck filled with fuel and passengers.

My payload capacity according to the door is a meager 2119 lbs. Gvrw is 10,000.

After weighing I am indeed over my gvwr by about 500lbs. My drive axel weight with trailer is 5400 (GAWR is 6000 for that one) and my steer axel is 5040 (GAWR for steer axel is 5750). Some research showed me all components of the truck are the same between a 2500 and 3500 with the exception of leaf springs in 3500 and coil springs in 2500. And the transmission (Aison vs rfe)

When I drop the trailer on, my vehicle ends up perfectly level (41 inches to each front and rear wheel well)

So why all this info? I’m over GVWR by 500lbs. And it pulls like a dream. So I am not going to run out and buy a new truck simply because of the sticker. I know, some risk involved if I get into an accident. If people want to go buy anew truck based on that sticker, then more power to them.

If either of my axel weights were over their individual GAWR, my story would be different and I would be looking for a new truck. But not in this scenario.


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