Would like to buy Reflection 337RLS Looking for reasonable price advice.

[bertschb]

What is a reasonable price to pay or walk away?

For 2021 models:
20% off MSRP = You paid more than you needed to
25% off MSRP = Pretty good deal
30% off MSRP = Good deal
> 30% off MSRP = Very good deal

Add 10% to those numbers for prior year (2020) models. I don't pay extra for freight, dealer prep or document charges. IOW, if MSRP is $100,000 and the dealer accepts my offer of 30% off MSRP, the total I pay is $70,000. I do have to pay the DMV title and registration fees separately.

If your local dealer is giving you the run around, just expand your search radius. I understand demand for RV's has increased so you may have to work harder and look further to get a "normal" discount. If nobody in your area is willing to deal, you aren't interested in traveling and you aren't in a hurry, just wait a few months. Supply should pick up after the spring/summer/virus seasonal demand wanes.

[redparrot02]

Be careful of "towing capacity" - it's not the same as payload. Any modern diesel 3/4-ton truck will pull a brick house off its foundation... you just can't put the weight of the house (or the usual 23% of it) on the rear axle of the truck. With fifth wheel RVs, it's all about the truck's payload. Diesel drive trains are heavier than their gas counterparts and will usually reduce the payload by 500 - 700 lbs. 4WD knocks another couple of hundred pounds off the payload. High-end trim packages are heaver... the list goes on. You also have to subtract the weight of the hitch, a toolbox in the bed (if you get one) and anything in it, fuel, occupants, pets, and "stuff" from the payload listed on the sticker on the truck. For the trailer, 23% of the GVWR listed by the manufacturer is a safe bet on loaded pin weight.

Let me give you an example of how we started out with our 337: we had, at the time, a 2013 GMC Sierra 2500HD with the Duramax/Allison combo. It was rear wheel drive only, so that bought us a few pounds of payload and, with me, the hitch, a full tank, and a BakFlip Tonneau cover, the CAT scales showed we had 3,060 lbs. of payload left (the CAT scales are your best friend and don't lie). This is quite a bit of payload for a 3/4-ton diesel truck. The CAT scales also showed that the pin weight on our loaded 337 was consistently between 3,000 and 3,100 lbs - different weights over time. I was not comfortable with this low margin... what if I had a rear truck tire failure at those weights? Could I keep it under control? My wife also used to tell people that I wouldn't let her buy more than six rolls of toilet paper at a time. When we had the chance to trade even for a low-mileage F350 dual rear wheel, we jumped on it - and haven't worried about payload since. It also made it possible for us to move up to our new Solitude when the time came without worrying about the truck.

There are hundreds of threads on this topic and I have been accused of being a member of the "Weight Police" on a few occasions. IMHO, you can't put a price on safety.

Rob

No, you can't put a price on safety. Love your pic! Safe travels!!

[Nate805]

Hello,

We are new to RVing and live in Southern California. The dealers do not want to negotiate due to covid related supply and demand conditions. What is a reasonable price to pay or walk away? We are not opposed to driving a distance to make a good purchase, but unsure of any ramifications or how to go about this. We are looking for new or nearly new. Any advice regarding what to be mindful of, suggestions, and a bottom line price suggestion. We appreciate any information provided. Thank you!!

Go to Trailer Hitch RV in Nipomo. They’re knocking good money off and got a lot of Grand Designs in at the start of COVID. They quoted my $54k for a 337RLS before any negotiations. Someone on the forums recently picked one up new in Texas for $44k so don’t pay $60-65k for one. You said So Cal so if you’re dealing with Mike Thompson RV, is just walk. They’re awful.


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[Jefferson Beifuss]

And I went to Southern California in early 2019 and picked up a "gently used" 2015 337RLS from a private seller. It had the remaining warranty (since expired). Paid $25K, plus I had to put tires on it immediately, to bring it back to Utah. It depends on how far you are willing to go to find that "perfect rig". Now does not seem to be a great time to be shopping. Lots of demand, little reason to negotiate. I suspect there may be a lot of rigs for sale in a couple of years by folks who had no idea what they were getting into, at some pretty good deals.

Just some thoughts, unless you love depreciation.

[N6ZCM1]

And I went to Southern California in early 2019 and picked up a "gently used" 2015 337RLS from a private seller. It had the remaining warranty (since expired). Paid $25K, plus I had to put tires on it immediately, to bring it back to Utah. It depends on how far you are willing to go to find that "perfect rig". Now does not seem to be a great time to be shopping. Lots of demand, little reason to negotiate. I suspect there may be a lot of rigs for sale in a couple of years by folks who had no idea what they were getting into, at some pretty good deals.

Just some thoughts, unless you love depreciation.

Thought you stole my pic and used ot for your profile!!!

[glennt]

We picked up a 2018 gently use 377 rls in February. Paid $40250 cash. Spent the month of July in Colorado in it. Loved it. We’re in southern Kansas.

[Jefferson Beifuss]

Thought you stole my pic and used ot for your profile!!!

HaHa. Just my blind kitty, thinking it's his turn to drive!

[Fsalmy]

HaHa. Just my blind kitty, thinking it's his turn to drive!

Two best pictures I've seen all day. Probably all week. Thanks Jeff and N6ZCM1!

[greische]

Right now, at least in Penna it is a sellers market. There are so many customers for RV’s who have never owned one before, if one customer passes up the deal there is someone waiting behind them to take it. If you really want one you are going to have to pay for it

[Jefferson Beifuss]

You are welcome!!