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    Quote Originally Posted by xrated View Post
    I've got a Momentum 394M with the same system, so I'll try to give you a brief description. When you are ready to unhook from the truck, and you've got your trailer wheels chocked, you simply fire up the control box and push the up arrow. When the trailer is slightly up off the truck 5ver hitch and the hitch is released, drive out from under the Kingpin and park your truck. With these systems, the nose of the trailer needs to be at level (front to back) or just slightly nose high. Next step is to push the Auto Level and let it go to work. It will ground the middle legs on both sides, then the rear legs and start the levelling process. The green light on the control panel will be flashing while it's doing it's thing and once it's level, the light will turn green (no flashing).

    There is also a "hitch height" button and when you are ready to hook back up and leave, simply fire up the control box and push the hitch height button. The rear and middle legs on both sides will fully retract, and when that is done, the landing gear will drop the front of the trailer down to the position (height) that it was at before you pushed the auto level button when you were setting up.

    The one caveat about this system though, is that if you try to auto level and the trailer is nose low, it will go into fault and will not auto level. It is a built in safety to keep someone from getting a smashed truck bed. So if you pull in a spot and when you are done unhitching from the truck and the nose of the trailer is low, you must raise the front of the trailer (landing gear) until it's level or slightly above. Having to do this kind of negates the "Hitch height" button's 100% accuracy, but it will also protect your truck and trailer. Auto Level, once you learn how to use it, is so easy.....it's almost like cheating! LOL
    That is a wonderful explanation, thank you so much. New 351M owner here. I had read the instructions and have successfully auto leveled. Even read in the manual where it talks about if the nose is low it negates the hitch height function. I've had some complications with low battery power issues that I believe I will have corrected when I receive my LifePO 12V 170Amp hour battery. Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geotex1 View Post
    The foremost expert in the system actually now works for Grand Design! Incidentally, he is the one who finally diagnosed the issue with my system in exactly 6 minutes after 1 full year of it never working properly, 3 dealer attempts to fix, 4.5 hours of me diagnosing it with Lippert, and me becoming an an "amateur expert" in the system over this time plus 4 new controllers, 2 brains, 2 jacks, and all new harnesses... He doesn't work for them in a tech capacity either, but one of the 4 guys good enough to stay behind on a Friday night at the Factory Service Center when the system failed again after the GD techs were certain it was OK after having it in for a week! I digress, and long story short @FT4NOW, is that your system should not do what it has when nose down, but I will bet even if you re-zero it that it will still do this. Why you might ask? Because there is a sensor rearward of the axles and if it is mounted incorrectly it can let this happen. Guess how I know? LOL.
    WOW! That's quite an experience! Can you elaborate as to where the sensor behind the axel is and what the orientation should be? Photos would be awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FT4NOW View Post
    Excellent info, however, not 100% correct on the nose low scenario. What @xrated described is definitely true for the hitch height button; however, the camper can be nose low to engage the auto level function.

    The pad at my house is not level and the camper is always nose low. When I unhitch my truck and pull forward i press the auto level button and there are never any faults. I've also been to campgrounds where the front legs end up extending almost all the way during the leveling process, which indicates the camper was nose low, and no faults.

    The only time I've received a fault is when the front landing gear ran out stroke to extend because of how unlevel the site was. To correct that I had to hook back up to the truck and put blocks under the front landing gear and try again.

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    I don't have a Solitude, but when I park my Reflection 303RLS in my driveway it is always nose down after disconnecting . I push the auto level button and it levels perfectly.
    Of course the hitch height feature doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malco1 View Post
    I don't have a Solitude, but when I park my Reflection 303RLS in my driveway it is always nose down after disconnecting . I push the auto level button and it levels perfectly.
    Of course the hitch height feature doesn't work.
    Good to know I'm not the only one

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    I'm a newbie (Reflection 290BH), but when my first campsite visited had about a 3-4 degree slope (front-back AND side-side), I quickly learned that A) you need to get the rig much closer to level (<2 degrees) using 2x10s under the downslope wheels, etc. (Of course you also don't need to do this in the dark when it's raining). We survived, and the rig is fine, especially after some old-timers came over and took pity on me and showed me some pointers. Live and Learn, as they say. Good luck!

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    Is it normal for the front stabilizers to deploy one at a time until it makes ground contact, then the other side deploys and makes ground contact, then both rise in unity to life the unit off hitch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsdad60 View Post
    Is it normal for the front stabilizers to deploy one at a time until it makes ground contact, then the other side deploys and makes ground contact, then both rise in unity to life the unit off hitch?
    That's how mine have always operated, normal to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsdad60 View Post
    Is it normal for the front stabilizers to deploy one at a time until it makes ground contact, then the other side deploys and makes ground contact, then both rise in unity to life the unit off hitch?
    Yes. Same as @FT4NOW. That is how mine work. Never had any issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoChris View Post
    Yes. Same as @FT4NOW. That is how mine work. Never had any issues.

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    Initially, when I used the "drop front landing gear" both front legs would go down, and, when they touched ground, stop. Then I could manually raise the rig off the hitch.

    Recently (in the last year or so), it seems that one leg starts down, then the other sometime after it, not always after the first is all the way down. So they don't touch ground at the same time now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livinthelife View Post
    Initially, when I used the "drop front landing gear" both front legs would go down, and, when they touched ground, stop. Then I could manually raise the rig off the hitch.

    Recently (in the last year or so), it seems that one leg starts down, then the other sometime after it, not always after the first is all the way down. So they don't touch ground at the same time now.
    Reflections use electric landing gear vs the hydraulic in the Solitudes. Operation is different. @Sportsdad60 has a Solitude as did the OP.

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