Can my TV stop me

[iproff1]

I've seen many posts on here where someone says they have a 1/2 ton and wonder if they can tow a certain trailer and someone always says it will tow it but will it stop it. The will it stop it phrase is used quite often, too often. Coming from an automotive back ground I knew that the answer was yes a manufacture would never build a vehicle give it a 12,000lb tow rating if it could not stop it so today I did some research and discovered that it turns out that there is standard which includes towing, braking, payload, handling including hill climbing. So if a 1/2 ton says it can tow 12,000 lbs the standard says that it can also stop it.
The standard for towing that all manufacturers must use is J2807.

I think you will find this an interesting read.

Ken


https://tfltruck.com/2019/10/heres-h...e-j2807-video/

[geotex1]

Do be conscious that SAE J2807 compliance is true for ~2015 and newer models years. Before then, manufacturers did their own in-house testing to support their claims. What was interesting to see was pretty striking differences between model years before and after adoption, yet no design changes made to the truck from one model year to the next. It was entertaining on the truck forums back then.

[marlowefamily]

I have a 2020 expedition built on f150 frame with 9200lb tow rating. Towing a 32ft 7k lb trailer. Trailer brakes tuned to proper gain setting are the only way to safely drive, especially on sustained downgrade. You need to control speed carefully and the expy brakes on their own would be hair raising or very short life.

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[geotex1]

I have a 2020 expedition built on f150 frame with 9200lb tow rating. Towing a 32ft 7k lb trailer. Trailer brakes tuned to proper gain setting are the only way to safely drive, especially on sustained downgrade. You need to control speed carefully and the expy brakes on their own would be hair raising or very short life.

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Yeah the J2807 has nothing for real-world towing. It's just to level the playing field in truck makers' claims. I believe the regiment only has a 25mph to 0 mph protocol with and without trailer brakes on level ground and then the truck's E-brake has to hold the combination when parked up and down a defined grade (cannot recall the % slope).

Interesting, by embracing the standard, it finally resolved the notoriously weak brakes on GM trucks!

[goducks14]

There's the stuff on paper and then there's the real world. Good luck trying to stop or slow down an 12,500 lb trailer on even the slightest downhill grade..
You'll smoke the brakes in know time.
Thats why I tow with a diesel. I can slow down my 9600 lb TT on most any grade up to 6% with just the exhaust brake.
All I can say is if someone's towing over 5,000 lbs with a 1/2 ton then they better hope the trailer brakes are working.

[NB Canada]

There's the stuff on paper and then there's the real world. Good luck trying to stop or slow down an 12,500 lb trailer on even the slightest downhill grade..
You'll smoke the brakes in know time.
Thats why I tow with a diesel. I can slow down my 9600 lb TT on most any grade up to 6% with just the exhaust brake.
All I can say is if someone's towing over 5,000 lbs with a 1/2 ton then they better hope the trailer brakes are working.

My GMC has down hill assist. I think every modern truck does. I rarely have to use the brakes
I find these posts funny. My truck has bigger and better brakes than HD trucks had just over 10 years ago but no body said anything about them


2021 Imagine 2400 BH
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 crew

[backtrack2015]

My GMC has down hill assist. I think every modern truck does. I rarely have to use the brakes
I find these posts funny. My truck has bigger and better brakes than HD trucks had just over 10 years ago but no body said anything about them


2021 Imagine 2400 BH
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 crew

We just want the 1/2-ton folks to feel inferior. Same with the 3/4-ton folks towing fifth-wheels.

[huntindog]

My GMC has down hill assist. I think every modern truck does. I rarely have to use the brakes
I find these posts funny. My truck has bigger and better brakes than HD trucks had just over 10 years ago but no body said anything about them


2021 Imagine 2400 BH
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 crew

LOL. The half ton folks like to talk about how much improved their trucks are today.... And this is true to a point. But, progress hasn't been limited to the half tons,,, Their larger cousins are also much improved. What hasn't changed is the differences between them. I have actually worked on differentials, brakes ujoints, trannys etc. The size and weight of the components is night and day between the two classes of trucks. That was true years ago, and is still true today.
Heavy weight requires heavy components.

[geotex1]

LOL. The half ton folks like to talk about how much improved their trucks are today.... And this is true to a point. But, progress hasn't been limited to the half tons,,, Their larger cousins are also much improved. What hasn't changed is the differences between them. I have actually worked on differentials, brakes ujoints, trannys etc. The size and weight of the components is night and day between the two classes of trucks. That was true years ago, and is still true today.
Heavy weight requires heavy components.

I'll take changing out the rear brakes on my 2015 dually every day of the year over those that were under my 98 GMC with full floater and drums with more steel in them than an entire Tesla!!

I personally don't subscribe to the debate... My 2019 Gen5 RAM 1500 with factory tow goodies sits right next to my Gen4 RAM 3500 dually with the maxed out factory tow goodies. So I just pick the right tool for the job! I like quality tools, they last longer when worked hard.

[NB Canada]

LOL. The half ton folks like to talk about how much improved their trucks are today.... And this is true to a point. But, progress hasn't been limited to the half tons,,, Their larger cousins are also much improved. What hasn't changed is the differences between them. I have actually worked on differentials, brakes ujoints, trannys etc. The size and weight of the components is night and day between the two classes of trucks. That was true years ago, and is still true today.
Heavy weight requires heavy components.

And where did I say it stopped at 1/2 tons?
You obviously completely missed the point of my comment

Happy camping

Edit “half ton folks”????


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2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 crew