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09-16-2021, 07:23 AM #11
Lions Head took very good care of you because your picture, at that angle, is not sidewall impact damage. That's super characteristic of belt lap, and some tires do show it was worse than others because it's way more manual manufacturing still than maybe realized. It would be great if you could share what your new tires look like in comparison when received and mounted.
Rob & Nikki + Cloverfield
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09-16-2021, 08:20 AM #12
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That’s great lions head is replacing all the tires. Lions head, as well as our dealer and grand design, denied any responsibility for our Goodyear tires even though we also have the 1 year no excuse policy. Ours had weather cracking on one side of the rv, I’m assuming from sitting in the grand design parking lot while waiting to be built/shipped. To be fair, lions head literature says they don’t warranty Goodyear’s. (But then how is it a no excuse policy?)
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09-16-2021, 11:56 AM #13
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I'm confused, Lionshead replaced your tires and by doing so it would seem assumed responsibility. How much or little did they replace? What are the date codes of your cracked tires? You'll find a four digit number in an oval, first two are the week the next two the year. I.E. (1220) 12th week of 2020.
How much or little did they replace? When I had a Westlake tire blow out they offered a replacement Westlake or 105$ towards a new tire, nothing to cover installation. Mounted, balanced and installed 4 new Goodyear Endurance were $165 apiece.
Hearing your experience with these Goodyear tires I'm wondering if they are heading back to the Bad 'Ol days of the Marathon tire. It's a distant memory but the Marathon was as bad as any "China bomb".2018 F150 XLT 301a, Screw, 4x4, HDPP, Max tow, Andersen Ultimate w/ Curt Double Lock hitch.
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09-16-2021, 01:13 PM #14
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I'm sorry but 3 tire dealers including 2 Good Year dealers verified that the bulges are from impact damage to the sidewall. They saw the tires in person and said they were no longer safe. They also pointed out the mark/scuff in the tire where it was impacted.
And Lion's Head agreed.
And it was not a ploy to sell me new tires because neither of the GY dealers had any and they can't get them until 2022.
I just received the new tires about an hour ago (with a recent date code). I'll take a picture next week when I get them mounted.
Here's the sticker that's on the outside of my trailer describing Lion's Head's policy
Jay Leonard
New Port Richey, Fl
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09-16-2021, 07:10 PM #15
You posted a single picture looking down the sidewall at an above angle. All that can be seen is an undulation and marks from a China marker or such. In my youth, I worked in a tire shop and my hobbies have made tire knowledge important. I can walk into my cousin's tire warehouse and provide a quick dozen pictures of how heavy carcass tires have characteristics that look just like what your picture shows. If there's more than we can see that led others to decide it was road damage - OK. However, do understand the general level of knowledge at your typical tire shop is very, very low for anything outside of passenger tires. Again, great you have had your concern addressed. The point being driven is that a ripple in the sidewall of a trailer tires does not necessarily mean it's damage or failure. Could definitely be as equally as it definitely could not be. Goodyear publishes a book of characteristic defects for all of its dealers. Take a look at this Endurance sidewall, it was characterized as an asthetic defective only:
The owner has had no issue with the tire. The owner of the Heritage Glen I recently rebuilt and reinforced the suspension on bought 6 new Endurance tires (two spares), all were fresh - all less than 4 months old. Out of those 6, 2 were just as pronounced, 3 more noticeable.Rob & Nikki + Cloverfield
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09-16-2021, 08:01 PM #16
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09-17-2021, 05:56 AM #17
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A lot of press has been given to the Endurance tires. While they may be better than the China bombs, they are still ST tires with the same problems inherent with the other ST tires. Maybe they don't come apart as fast. Who knows.
I upgraded my last trailer to 16" Cooper LTs. They were almost new when I traded for my Reflection so I transferred them to the new trailer.
Upgrading to 16" alloy wheels and Cooper LTs...Not cheap
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09-17-2021, 06:56 AM #18
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As long as the LT tires are rated for the weight, you're good, but for 7,000 lb. axles you need at least either a G-rated tire, or an ST tire. A LT tire rated for 3,000 lbs. won't cut it.
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09-17-2021, 07:07 AM #19
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I do know about "undulation" as it is sometimes called. I had the discussion several times recently.
What I have is not that.
You are not the only person who knows about tires.
You are welcome to buy these from me, just make an offer.Jay Leonard
New Port Richey, Fl
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