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    F-450 maxed out payload

    I bought the 2021 F-450 for hopefully having more than enough payload to tow my Solitude 385 GK (16,800 GVWR)
    I loaded the Solitude to 15,500 w/ 3,760 pin weight.
    My GVWR of the Truck is 14,000 and payload is 4635 on door sticker. 4635-3760 = 875 cargo capacity which seems to be not much available cargo capacity if you figure :
    400 for people, 120 hitch, 43 for 5 gallon can diesel, tools and misc. 200 with about 100 safety factor.
    My 450 is heavily optioned(I didn’t realize how my payload would be reduced so much)

    Any suggestions or observations ?

    Thank!
    Allan (Dragonfly)
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    Whoa! That's all the payload on a 450 King Ranch!?? That is nearly 1K less than my 3500 Laramie Longhorn...

    F450s are de-rated, and that is known. It is not like the 250/2500 vs 350/3500 debate... I personally would not be uncomfortable with the 450 at yellow sticker...
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    In the case of the F450, Ford puts the 14,000 lb GVWR on it to be able to stay in the Class 3 truck range. That keeps the truck in a classification that doesn't require commercial licenses in a lot of states, as well as keeping people from way higher insurance premiums. So basically, it is a derated truck with higher capabilities than what it shows. Do ask me how much higher though.....I don't know.
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    Being an F450, I wouldn't worry about it. I know commercially I've seen them registered as 16k trucks. I think at this point it's more of an administration issue than a physical capability the truck. Like mentioned already, it is because Ford likes to keep the F450 in the non-commercial class so it is limited to 14k GVWR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FT4NOW View Post
    Being an F450, I wouldn't worry about it. I know commercially I've seen them registered as 16k trucks. I think at this point it's more of an administration issue than a physical capability the truck. Like mentioned already, it is because Ford likes to keep the F450 in the non-commercial class so it is limited to 14k GVWR.

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    It is one thing to not be worried about the truck being able to pull the camper, it is another thing trying to defend yourself in court against an injured (or dead) person asking why you were NEGLIGENTLY driving an over weight truck on the highways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonfly View Post
    I bought the 2021 F-450 for hopefully having more than enough payload to tow my Solitude 385 GK (16,800 GVWR)
    I loaded the Solitude to 15,500 w/ 3,760 pin weight.
    My GVWR of the Truck is 14,000 and payload is 4635 on door sticker. 4635-3760 = 875 cargo capacity which seems to be not much available cargo capacity if you figure :
    400 for people, 120 hitch, 43 for 5 gallon can diesel, tools and misc. 200 with about 100 safety factor.
    My 450 is heavily optioned(I didn’t realize how my payload would be reduced so much)

    Any suggestions or observations ?

    Thank!
    Allan (Dragonfly)
    WOW, that is unfortunate. I would strongly suggest you install the 20k GooseBox instead of a standard 5th Wheel Hitch. This will reduce your weight by at least the weight of the hitch. We really Love the GooseBox and hitch weight was part of the consideration when we bought it (although, I really liked the GooseBox from the first time I saw it).
    David and Peggy
    2019 Ford F350 Lariat, 6.7L Diesel, Dually, Long Bed
    Running with 20k Reese Goosebox (Love It) and Ford Factory "Puck" system.
    Stopping with 8,000 lb Disc Brakes and Titan Hydraulic over Electric Brakes system.
    Powering all this fun with 1200 Watts of Solar, two Tesla, Model S, battery modules, 24 volt Victron Inverter.
    2018 Solitude 310 GK

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarPoweredRV View Post
    It is one thing to not be worried about the truck being able to pull the camper, it is another thing trying to defend yourself in court against an injured (or dead) person asking why you were NEGLIGENTLY driving an over weight truck on the highways.
    I certainly dont want to open the can of worms on the court aspect, but he isnt over his numbers as-is, just very close, which is why I wouldn't stress about it too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarPoweredRV View Post
    It is one thing to not be worried about the truck being able to pull the camper, it is another thing trying to defend yourself in court against an injured (or dead) person asking why you were NEGLIGENTLY driving an over weight truck on the highways.
    And there it is...

    As pointed out, he's not over, he's a 100 lbs under.

    Don't see the problem.

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    Good grief! There are people pulling 20,000lb Momentums with F-250's. I would be willing to bet the majority of people towing Solitudes are using F-250's. The F-450 is an outstanding towing platform that can EASILY handle a Solitude 385GK. The F-450 is one of the most de-rated non-commercial trucks out there.
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    Yes, please do yourself and everyone else on the road a favor and put your family in an less capable tow vehicle cause the sticker on the door jamb says so!!

    We have finally reached the point of insanity!
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