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    Quote Originally Posted by rootusrootus View Post
    I don't think we should force anyone to get vaccinated. But I also think we shouldn't force anyone to come into contact with people who choose not to be vaccinated. The US Constitution guarantees free association, etc. So we need a reliable, low effort way for folks to quickly ascertain this information. Maybe private businesses can handle it. Though some authoritarian states (looking at you, Florida) have decreed that the gov't will make this decision for private companies and individuals.
    Maybe a blue "V" on their shirt fronts? Ooh, wait a minute, didn't something similar happen some time last century?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood View Post
    Maybe a blue "V" on their shirt fronts? Ooh, wait a minute, didn't something similar happen some time last century?
    Heh, can always depend on antivaxxers to immediately Godwin the thread .

    I'm sure we can find a better way to make sure that *everyone's* freedoms are respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood View Post
    You do realize the vaccination isn't even FDA approved. Not sure why that is, but it isn't. The others you've mentioned are FDA approved.
    Full FDA approval requires long-term studies of safety and efficacy for each new drug.

    The COVID Vaccines have not been in existence long enough for those long-term studies to be completed.

    The good news is that hopefully the COVID Vaccines will get full FDA approval within the next few weeks.

    As far as safety goes, millions of people have been vaccinated and there seems to be fewer side-effects from the COVID vaccines than our other vaccines.

    I am hopeful that those that have been holding out for full FDA approval will get vaccinated once the COVID vaccines have been approved. We need to get to a 70% + vaccination rate to slow the spread of this nasty virus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rootusrootus View Post
    Heh, can always depend on antivaxxers to immediately Godwin the thread .

    I'm sure we can find a better way to make sure that *everyone's* freedoms are respected.
    Absolutely, I have full confidence. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarPoweredRV View Post
    As far as safety goes, millions of people have been vaccinated and there seems to be fewer side-effects from the COVID vaccines than our other vaccines.
    Perhaps because it isn’t really a vaccine
    More like a flu shot
    Get ready to take it every year for efficacy

    But you do realize there have been many deaths and serious health issue with the vaccine?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NB Canada View Post
    Perhaps because it isn’t really a vaccine
    More like a flu shot
    Get ready to take it every year for efficacy
    Ummm, the flu shot is also a vaccine. Do you understand why the flu shot is an annual thing, and why it changes each year?

    But you do realize there have been many deaths and serious health issue with the vaccine?
    AFAIK there have been exactly zero deaths attributable to the vaccines. There have been some adverse affects that are possibly related, but unproven, which occur at around 1 in 1,000,000. FWIW that's something like five orders of magnitude less risk than side effects and long term health issues from SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    Delta is going to make this all a moot point, for a while at least. Looks like it'll just go ahead and infect all the antivax folks, and then we can have some herd immunity for a while. Though the immunity gained through infection is much weaker than from the vaccine, and with plenty of unvaccinated people throughout the world still acting as mutation factories we might see another surge in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rootusrootus View Post
    I don't think we should force anyone to get vaccinated. But I also think we shouldn't force anyone to come into contact with people who choose not to be vaccinated. The US Constitution guarantees free association, etc. So we need a reliable, low effort way for folks to quickly ascertain this information. Maybe private businesses can handle it. Though some authoritarian states (looking at you, Florida) have decreed that the gov't will make this decision for private companies and individuals.
    Perhaps an embedded chip, a tattoo, a card, a mark to "out" the unclean.
    Maybe special areas just for the possible carriers.....segregated to the back of the bus....
    Seems to me that we forget...the vaccine is unapproved....people die from it.
    Why the mask mandate and social distancing now suggested if the jab is so effective? Why are the vaccinated so desperate to have everybody to get the shot if they are protected by this wonderous shot? You get the shot - you are protected from us carriers, correct?
    Think about it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rootusrootus View Post
    Ummm, the flu shot is also a vaccine. Do you understand why the flu shot is an annual thing, and why it changes each year?

    AFAIK there have been exactly zero deaths attributable to the vaccines. There have been some adverse affects that are possibly related, but unproven, which occur at around 1 in 1,000,000. FWIW that's something like five orders of magnitude less risk than side effects and long term health issues from SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    Delta is going to make this all a moot point, for a while at least. Looks like it'll just go ahead and infect all the antivax folks, and then we can have some herd immunity for a while. Though the immunity gained through infection is much weaker than from the vaccine, and with plenty of unvaccinated people throughout the world still acting as mutation factories we might see another surge in the future.
    Lol. Thanks for the chuckle
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    Quote Originally Posted by schoening View Post
    Perhaps an embedded chip, a tattoo, a card, a mark to "out" the unclean.
    Maybe special areas just for the possible carriers.....segregated to the back of the bus....
    Seems to me that we forget...the vaccine is unapproved....people die from it.
    Why the mask mandate and social distancing now suggested if the jab is so effective? Why are the vaccinated so desperate to have everybody to get the shot if they are protected by this wonderous shot? You get the shot - you are protected from us carriers, correct?
    Think about it....
    But his medicine won’t work if we dont take ours

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    Quote Originally Posted by schoening View Post
    Perhaps an embedded chip, a tattoo, a card, a mark to "out" the unclean.
    Maybe special areas just for the possible carriers.....segregated to the back of the bus....
    LOL! How about we just allow private companies to declare whether they are for vaccinated folks or unvaccinated folks? That would solve the awareness issue without stepping on anyone's privacy. Unless you think the gov't should force private companies to adopt a particular policy? I get so confused, when is authoritarianism good, when is it bad?

    Seems to me that we forget...the vaccine is unapproved....people die from it.
    So when the vaccine gets full approval, you're going to run out and get it? Or ... that's just a convenient reason not to? These vaccines have several orders of magnitude more real world testing than almost any drug ever approved by the FDA, FWIW.

    Why the mask mandate and social distancing now suggested if the jab is so effective?
    Because vaccinated people can still get Delta, and pass it along to unvaccinated people. The big difference is that vaccinated people generally won't see the inside of a hospital, much less an ICU. No vents. No death.

    Why are the vaccinated so desperate to have everybody to get the shot if they are protected by this wonderous shot? You get the shot - you are protected from us carriers, correct?
    Because my kids are too young to be vaccinated, and my niece is immunocompromised so the shot doesn't work very well at all for her (though she got it anyway, of course). Think about it. Why are people who can get vaccinated choosing to share a deadly virus with people who have no choice in the matter?

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