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08-31-2021, 12:10 PM #11
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If you can, I suggest waiting until after the bubble pops.
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08-31-2021, 06:48 PM #12
It will be interesting to see how the RV industry reacts when eventually supply exceeds demand. Pricing of course will always be an issue, but more importantly in regards to the manufacturer's quality and the dealer's customer service. Will the buyer be treated once again as a needed customer that deserves product satisfaction, or have we already seen the best days of the RV industry?
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08-31-2021, 06:51 PM #13
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08-31-2021, 07:33 PM #14
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I don't think the bubble is going to pop any time soon. That's why we pulled the trigger. Local big dealer can't get a Tiffin until 2023. That will lead to a lot of pent up demand. And if the real estate market is any indicator, RVs are now homes not recreational vehicles. I don't see that ending - a lot of baby boomers retiring including us.
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08-31-2021, 10:03 PM #15
By no means have I surveyed every manufacturer, but I have friends across the industry. After talking with them, I don't think there will be any sort of crises having them drop the floor out of pricing. This is because they have not built anymore capacity than planned before the surge and are not planning capital expenditures around it either recognizing this is not a permanent market shift. They also have not bulked up staff as there is a finite worker pool in Indiana in general, and like everywhere and everyone else, hiring is a challenge. Also, keep in mind you, individually, are not GD's customer. Their customers are the dealers. It's not GD having dealers sell near MSRP. That's all dealer decisions. Has the dealer cost for units gone up? Sure. Is GD making some fractional increase on profit per unit because of demand? Of course. The rest, and majority, however, is passing through the increased cost of raw materials, parts, appliances, furniture, etc., and the increased cost of manufacturing, whether that be paying overtime or bigger electric bills for plant run time. No different than what I have happening running my plants at 104-119% capacity. So the biggest reductions you will see when the demand subsides are in the price dealers are willing to sell at to move inventory. I'm sure the cost per unit to dealer will come down as supply to manufacturing becomes more reliable and production pace slows. However, that's going to be a slow transition unless one starts trying to predict what the economy will do when employment becomes a must again for the majority... If you look back in the history of the industry, surging isn't new to it. This is definitely a big one, buy not new. There will be undoubtedly be a couple years of lean production numbers and then things will balance again. Ebbs and flows.
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09-01-2021, 05:06 AM #16
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Another factor you are going to have to include; as announced yesterday at the National Rally by Don Clark, Reflection is now the #1 selling 5th wheel in America, Momentum #1 Toy hauler, Solitude #2 in it's class. So, a lot of demand for Grand Design products gives dealers a pretty strong bargaining position.
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09-01-2021, 10:57 AM #17
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Maybe someone will come along and "Tesla-ize" the RV manufacturing pipeline. Aside from regulatory capture benefiting auto dealers, one of their biggest reasons for existing is the manufacturer-blessed service they offer. RV dealers don't have this moat, so they are significantly more vulnerable to disruption. If the only value the dealer provides is a sales showroom ... what's to stop GD from setting up a showroom in each major metro, and then doing all the sales online. Set price, no haggling, no sleazy salespeople, etc. And just use mobile RV techs for warranty work, kinda like things are headed already.
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09-04-2021, 02:45 PM #18
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Based on the historic volume of sales, everyone and their uncle buying RVs, combined with workforce and supply chain shortages all manufacturers are experiencing, I recommend waiting, if you can, to purchase until volumes stabilize. With factories outstripping capacity in their plants, everyone, including component suppliers experiencing the same issues, there is about 90% more quality problems, short-cuts being taken, and the inherent issues that all combine to create the perfect storm.
In addition, in about 12-24 months, about 30% of all these new RVs being purchased by first-timers will be on the market being sold for steep discounts when they realize they paid $90K on payments for something they stay in 10 nights/year and/or camping is a lot more work then it seemed while perusing the RV lot :-) Many of the issues they find based on the junk being turned out will be caught and fixed by the time you buy it.
All that said, now is the worst time to buy virtually "anything" new based on the overheating inflation and supply constraints. With the massive stimilus being pumped, we are about 1-2 years away from a bad recession IMO. Going to be bargains.David Pisano
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09-05-2021, 09:17 AM #19
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To the OP, I might suggest looking at the FaceBook Grand Design RV Owners Items For Sale. Late model barely used units are listed everyday by owners selling.
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09-05-2021, 08:06 PM #20
Not to hijack this thread, but you are suggesting something very interesting. Only thing I can imagine is the cost to the manufacturer to set up and staff their own sales outlets. I would think the overhead would eat up the difference in direct sales in relation to the markup the dealers charge, and then the purchase price would not be any more attractive to the buyer. It might only work in a high volume situation as you might find in the case of Tesla. It's going to take something innovative and different to bring dealers back from the stone age!!
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