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09-30-2022, 08:13 PM #41
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I have found it before, but haven't been able to get back to it. Basically if your truck and trailer have a GVWR of more than 26,001 lbs. it requires a Class A license, basically a non-commercial CDL. It's pretty well buried, and takes some digging to find.
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09-30-2022, 08:35 PM #42
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I can find no resource that states there is a special licensing requirement for RVs of any GVWR for the state of Missouri. According to Changing Gears' table, there is no requirement:
https://changingears.com/rv-drivers-...-requirements/
... and I can find no reference to such on the Missouri state site:
https://dor.mo.gov/driver-license/
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09-30-2022, 09:04 PM #43
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I can't find it either now. I have in the past, and it said a class A non-commercial cdl is required for a truck and trailer combination that exceeds 26,001 lbs. And other combinations as well. I guess a call to the DMV is in order, and heck, you can't necessarily trust what they tell you.
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09-30-2022, 09:23 PM #44
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Thanks for the replies.
I called the DMV and Missouri Troop A HQ and was not able to get an answer. I ran into a State Trooper one day at a QT and ask the question about special licenses for RVer. He was not able to answer the question. I keep watching for one of the commercial vehicle state trooper trucks to be pulled over on the side of the road without a violator pulled over so I can stop and ask if they know.
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09-30-2022, 09:26 PM #45
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Heck, if you get a definitive answer, please post back. I'd love to know if I've been laboring under a misapprehension.
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10-01-2022, 01:54 PM #46
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AFAIK, Missouri has no such requirements. Although Texas does and I can tell you not even the DMV knows much about the requirements or even what tests are needed for Texas Class A non-cdl.
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Here is a .pdf from MODOT: https://dor.mo.gov/forms/CDL%20Manual.pdf
This is part of what is delineated:
You must have a CDL to operate:
Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating
(GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.
A combination vehicle with a gross combination
weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds,
provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is
in excess of 10,000 pounds.
But no mention if that is for commercial use, just the definition.
But it also says this:
Only the following commercial drivers are exempt from the CDL law: (Boldface is mine)
Any person driving or pulling a recreational vehicle for personal use.
Typical governmental double talk. Confusing as heck.Last edited by Hoopy Frood; 10-01-2022 at 05:32 PM.
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I just found this
https://www.sos.mo.gov/CMSImages/AdR...r/12c10-24.pdf
CODE OF STATE REGULATIONS 1 JOHN R. ASHCROFT (9/30/21)
Secretary of State
Rules of
Department of Revenue
Division 10—Director of Revenue
Chapter 24—Driver License Bureau Rules
12 CSR 10-24.200 Driver License Classes
PURPOSE: This rule establishes classes of
licenses for Missouri motor vehicle operators.
(1) There shall be six (6) classes of licenses
in Missouri,
Class F—The holder of a Class F license
may drive any motor vehicle other than one
requiring the driver to hold a Class A, Class
B, Class C, or Class E license,[B] including any
recreational vehicle being used solely for per-
sonal use[/B], except that the holder of a Class F
license may not drive motorcycles or vehicles
which require an endorsement(s) unless the
proper endorsement(s) appears on the
license. Nothing in this section shall be con-
strued to prevent operators of recreational
motor vehicles for personal use from operat-
ing those vehicles with a Class F license. The
holder of a Class F intermediate license may
drive the same types of vehicles as those dri-
ven by the holder of a Class F driver license
except that the holder of a Class F intermedi-
ate license cannot operate a motor vehicle on
the highways of the state between the hours of
1:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. unless accompanied
by a person who is at least twenty-one (21)
years of age. The licensee is not required to
be accompanied by someone twenty-one (21)
years of age or older if the travel is to or from
a school or educational program or activity, a
regular place of employment or in emergency
situations. An emergency situation is defined
as any sudden or unexpected event in which
a potential injury or death may occur to a liv-
ing being that requires the operation of a
motor vehicle.
12 CSR 10-24.305 Commercial Driver
License Requirements/Exemptions
Section (E) Any person driving or pulling, strictly
for family or personal use, a recreational
vehicle as defined in sections 301.010 and
700.010, RSMo
I bolded the part about Recreational Vehicle.
I just checked my current Missouri Driver's license and it is indeed a Class F. So the standard license in Missouri is Class F.
I also bolded the part of "Nothing in this section shall be con-
strued to prevent operators of recreational
motor vehicles for personal use from operat-
ing those vehicles with a Class F license"
This seems very clear to me that you can tow or operator any size RV for personal use on a standard Mo Driver's license.Last edited by rgwiese1; 10-01-2022 at 08:47 PM.
My 397, finally
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