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    I have found it before, but haven't been able to get back to it. Basically if your truck and trailer have a GVWR of more than 26,001 lbs. it requires a Class A license, basically a non-commercial CDL. It's pretty well buried, and takes some digging to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rgwiese1 View Post
    Can you tell me where this is documented in the Missouri MVR or DL requirements?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood View Post
    I have found it before, but haven't been able to get back to it. Basically if your truck and trailer have a GVWR of more than 26,001 lbs. it requires a Class A license, basically a non-commercial CDL. It's pretty well buried, and takes some digging to find.
    I can find no resource that states there is a special licensing requirement for RVs of any GVWR for the state of Missouri. According to Changing Gears' table, there is no requirement:

    https://changingears.com/rv-drivers-...-requirements/

    ... and I can find no reference to such on the Missouri state site:

    https://dor.mo.gov/driver-license/

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    I can't find it either now. I have in the past, and it said a class A non-commercial cdl is required for a truck and trailer combination that exceeds 26,001 lbs. And other combinations as well. I guess a call to the DMV is in order, and heck, you can't necessarily trust what they tell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood View Post
    I can't find it either now. I have in the past, and it said a class A non-commercial cdl is required for a truck and trailer combination that exceeds 26,001 lbs. And other combinations as well. I guess a call to the DMV is in order, and heck, you can't necessarily trust what they tell you.
    Thanks for the replies.
    I called the DMV and Missouri Troop A HQ and was not able to get an answer. I ran into a State Trooper one day at a QT and ask the question about special licenses for RVer. He was not able to answer the question. I keep watching for one of the commercial vehicle state trooper trucks to be pulled over on the side of the road without a violator pulled over so I can stop and ask if they know.

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    Heck, if you get a definitive answer, please post back. I'd love to know if I've been laboring under a misapprehension.
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    AFAIK, Missouri has no such requirements. Although Texas does and I can tell you not even the DMV knows much about the requirements or even what tests are needed for Texas Class A non-cdl.

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    Here is a .pdf from MODOT: https://dor.mo.gov/forms/CDL%20Manual.pdf

    This is part of what is delineated:

    You must have a CDL to operate:
    Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating
    (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.

    A combination vehicle with a gross combination
    weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds,
    provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is
    in excess of 10,000 pounds.

    But no mention if that is for commercial use, just the definition.

    But it also says this:

    Only the following commercial drivers are exempt from the CDL law: (Boldface is mine)

    Any person driving or pulling a recreational vehicle for personal use.

    Typical governmental double talk. Confusing as heck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood View Post
    Here is a .pdf from MODOT: https://dor.mo.gov/forms/CDL%20Manual.pdf

    This is part of what is delineated:

    You must have a CDL to operate:
    Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating
    (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.

    A combination vehicle with a gross combination
    weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds,
    provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is
    in excess of 10,000 pounds.

    But no mention if that is for commercial use, just the definition.

    But it also says this:

    Only the following commercial drivers are exempt from the CDL law: (Boldface is mine)

    Any person driving or pulling a recreational vehicle for personal use.

    Typical governmental double talk. Confusing as heck.
    I don't know about Missouri, but in every state I'm familiar with, the requirements only apply if you're driving for hire. It's a commercial drivers license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood View Post
    Here is a .pdf from MODOT: https://dor.mo.gov/forms/CDL%20Manual.pdf

    This is part of what is delineated:

    You must have a CDL to operate:
    Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating
    (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.

    A combination vehicle with a gross combination
    weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds,
    provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is
    in excess of 10,000 pounds.

    But no mention if that is for commercial use, just the definition.

    But it also says this:

    Only the following commercial drivers are exempt from the CDL law: (Boldface is mine)

    Any person driving or pulling a recreational vehicle for personal use.

    Typical governmental double talk. Confusing as heck.
    Thanks for posting this Hoopy. Like you I believe it is very confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy Frood View Post
    Here is a .pdf from MODOT: https://dor.mo.gov/forms/CDL%20Manual.pdf

    This is part of what is delineated:

    You must have a CDL to operate:
    Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating
    (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.

    A combination vehicle with a gross combination
    weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds,
    provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is
    in excess of 10,000 pounds.

    But no mention if that is for commercial use, just the definition.

    But it also says this:

    Only the following commercial drivers are exempt from the CDL law: (Boldface is mine)

    Any person driving or pulling a recreational vehicle for personal use.

    Typical governmental double talk. Confusing as heck.
    I just found this
    https://www.sos.mo.gov/CMSImages/AdR...r/12c10-24.pdf

    CODE OF STATE REGULATIONS 1 JOHN R. ASHCROFT (9/30/21)
    Secretary of State
    Rules of
    Department of Revenue
    Division 10—Director of Revenue
    Chapter 24—Driver License Bureau Rules

    12 CSR 10-24.200 Driver License Classes
    PURPOSE: This rule establishes classes of
    licenses for Missouri motor vehicle operators.
    (1) There shall be six (6) classes of licenses
    in Missouri,

    Class F—The holder of a Class F license
    may drive any motor vehicle other than one
    requiring the driver to hold a Class A, Class
    B, Class C, or Class E license,[B] including any
    recreational vehicle being used solely for per-
    sonal use
    [
    /B], except that the holder of a Class F
    license may not drive motorcycles or vehicles
    which require an endorsement(s) unless the
    proper endorsement(s) appears on the
    license. Nothing in this section shall be con-
    strued to prevent operators of recreational
    motor vehicles for personal use from operat-
    ing those vehicles with a Class F license
    . The
    holder of a Class F intermediate license may
    drive the same types of vehicles as those dri-
    ven by the holder of a Class F driver license
    except that the holder of a Class F intermedi-
    ate license cannot operate a motor vehicle on
    the highways of the state between the hours of
    1:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. unless accompanied
    by a person who is at least twenty-one (21)
    years of age. The licensee is not required to
    be accompanied by someone twenty-one (21)
    years of age or older if the travel is to or from
    a school or educational program or activity, a
    regular place of employment or in emergency
    situations. An emergency situation is defined
    as any sudden or unexpected event in which
    a potential injury or death may occur to a liv-
    ing being that requires the operation of a
    motor vehicle.

    12 CSR 10-24.305 Commercial Driver
    License Requirements/Exemptions
    Section (E) Any person driving or pulling, strictly
    for family or personal use, a recreational
    vehicle as defined in sections 301.010 and
    700.010, RSMo


    I bolded the part about Recreational Vehicle.
    I just checked my current Missouri Driver's license and it is indeed a Class F. So the standard license in Missouri is Class F.
    I also bolded the part of "Nothing in this section shall be con-
    strued to prevent operators of recreational
    motor vehicles for personal use from operat-
    ing those vehicles with a Class F license"



    This seems very clear to me that you can tow or operator any size RV for personal use on a standard Mo Driver's license.
    Last edited by rgwiese1; 10-01-2022 at 08:47 PM.

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