California Diesel Truck Ban

[Jerryr]

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City driving these make good sense today. We don’t have the charging framework in place nationwide. Still a way to go before this is a total solution.

Bill

Bill,

True for most EVs except Tesla. Teslas private fast and reliable Super Charger network makes their cars viable long distance travelers. It’s not perfect but it’s light years ahead of other EV charging networks.

My first Nissan Leaf EV in 2015 had a 100 mile range and was a local run around car. Now we have Teslas. Other than our Diesel F450 which is used primarily as a tow vehicle we have a pair of Teslas with 300 miles of range for all local and long distance trips. We still charge mostly at home and if needed at the reliable fast Tesla Super Chargers. We don’t miss our ICE cars.

[Redapple63]

Bill,

True for most EVs except Tesla. Teslas private fast and reliable Super Charger network makes their cars viable long distance travelers. It’s not perfect but it’s light years ahead of other EV charging networks.

My first Nissan Leaf EV in 2015 had a 100 mile range and was a local run around car. Now we have Teslas. Other than our Diesel F450 which is used primarily as a tow vehicle we have a pair of Teslas with 300 miles of range for all local and long distance trips. We still charge mostly at home and if needed at the reliable fast Tesla Super Chargers. We don’t miss our ICE cars.

Thanks for your real world feedback. [emoji4]

I do Agree, Tesla does seem to be holding on to their advantage and fully agree that electric is the future. We have been looking at Tesla as a solution and since we both still work full time and go in, it is a good solution for us. My tough commute is 3 miles each way. My diesel truck is not even warmed up by the time I get to the parking lot.

My issue is on longer trips since it does take time to recharge. Granted that doesn’t happen every day, so it does help. I also think in the next few years, there will be a technology breakthrough that will change.

Thanks,
Bill

[ajg617]

Bill,

True for most EVs except Tesla. Teslas private fast and reliable Super Charger network makes their cars viable long distance travelers. It’s not perfect but it’s light years ahead of other EV charging networks.

It takes me 15-16 hours over 850 miles to get from NH to NC to daughters. In my Audi, I stop to fill up once. In my 3500, I can go non-stop. How many charging hours does a Tesla add to that trip through Hartford, NYC, Baltimore, DC, Richmond - all stop-and-go regardless of day or time and mostly stop? Does cold (as in close to zero) temps shorten the number of miles? Do I have to plot my trip for charge stops just like I do with fuel for the RV? Keep in mind the concept of 'long distance' having to transit the Northeast is far different from long distance below NC. Broken chargers, charge by the minute rather than Kilowatt-hour, slow charge only, better have a Tesla or it's a near impossible task. Price comparison and find the lowest cost charger let alone one that works? Can't do it. Will it ever be standardized? Sure - with enough taxes added to the cost to charge just like the taxes on a gallon of gas.

[Jerryr]

Thanks for your real world feedback. [emoji4]

I do Agree, Tesla does seem to be holding on to their advantage and fully agree that electric is the future. We have been looking at Tesla as a solution and since we both still work full time and go in, it is a good solution for us. My tough commute is 3 miles each way. My diesel truck is not even warmed up by the time I get to the parking lot.

My issue is on longer trips since it does take time to recharge. Granted that doesn’t happen every day, so it does help. I also think in the next few years, there will be a technology breakthrough that will change.

Thanks,
Bill

Bill,

We rarely take long trips with our cars. On long trips we usually are towing the RV.

But regardless, even when towing we like to stop after about 3 hours and stretch our legs, take dogs out or take a bathroom break. Same with the Tesla EV. On those stops at 3 hours or so I try to find a Super Charger and plug in while I take bathroom break and short walk to stretch my legs. A 20 minute charge will “pump” about 150 miles of range back into the battery with a Tesla Super Charger. Being I was going to stop anyway at 3 hours it doesn’t add much time to a trip.

[Jerryr]

It takes me 15-16 hours over 850 miles to get from NH to NC to daughters. In my Audi, I stop to fill up once. In my 3500, I can go non-stop. How many charging hours does a Tesla add to that trip through Hartford, NYC, Baltimore, DC, Richmond - all stop-and-go regardless of day or time and mostly stop? Does cold (as in close to zero) temps shorten the number of miles? Do I have to plot my trip for charge stops just like I do with fuel for the RV? Keep in mind the concept of 'long distance' having to transit the Northeast is far different from long distance below NC. Broken chargers, charge by the minute rather than Kilowatt-hour, slow charge only, better have a Tesla or it's a near impossible task. Price comparison and find the lowest cost charger let alone one that works? Can't do it. Will it ever be standardized? Sure - with enough taxes added to the cost to charge just like the taxes on a gallon of gas.

I agree that the typical EV charger network is crap, except for the Tesla network. Tesla is a game changer, reliable and fast.

We have 10,000 miles of free charging from Tesla when we bought our Model Y. If you put in your destination in the Tesla Nav it will route you to charging stations as needed.

For grins go this 3rd party app https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ and plot your trip from NH to NC using a 2023 Tesla Model Y.

From Manchester NH to Newport NC 822 miles iy showed total time 15 Hr and 26 min with 5 charge stops ranging between 6 and 23 minutes, for a total charge time 1 hr and 16 minutes.

1st Stop 16 min in CT
2nd Stop 23 min in NJ
3rd stop 17 min in DC
4th stop 18 Min in VA
5th stop 6 min in Greenville NC

[Jerryr]

Perspective from a Tesla group on what is in the news.

https://www.teslaownersonline.com/th...26#post-368968

[Gronk1]

My BIL & sister have two EV's, a Tesla & an Audi. They live in the L.A. area only charge at home and, well, basically go nowhere. He's a retired pro baseball player and used to hotels, room service, and all that. They have a time-share (I think) in Hawaii & go 3-4 times a year. That's it, so EV's work well for them.
I live in Hooter...er Susanville CA. & it is 230 miles round trip to the doctors we use. Since the truck doesn't pass a gas station, we have a Subaru gasser. I just don't trust the mileage per charge. Would an EV make the trip, probably but I can make the trip 2 1/2 times on one tank in the car with fuel to spare.
EV's work for some people & not for others. I will get one some day...if we ever move out of the sticks.

[Jerryr]

My BIL & sister have two EV's, a Tesla & an Audi. They live in the L.A. area only charge at home and, well, basically go nowhere. He's a retired pro baseball player and used to hotels, room service, and all that. They have a time-share (I think) in Hawaii & go 3-4 times a year. That's it, so EV's work well for them.
I live in Hooter...er Susanville CA. & it is 230 miles round trip to the doctors we use. Since the truck doesn't pass a gas station, we have a Subaru gasser. I just don't trust the mileage per charge. Would an EV make the trip, probably but I can make the trip 2 1/2 times on one tank in the car with fuel to spare.
EV's work for some people & not for others. I will get one some day...if we ever move out of the sticks.

Paul,

I understand your reluctance being you live in remote God's country.

I just looked at your location on the map. That is real remote. But there is a Supercharger at the Diamond Mountain Casino & Hotel in Susanville, not very far from you. They have 8 Superchargers, available 24/7, up to 250kW. Right now only one is being used and 7 are available.

I don't know where your doctors are but its likely that there would be multiple Tesla Superchargers very near them where you could top off and get more than enough juice to not have any issues.

We have a 250 mile round trip from our house to our cabin. While we could make it with a full charge we always charge at both ends.

This Monday I had to make a trip from our remote cabin for an appt at U o M Baskin-Palmer Eye institute. A 250 mile round trip. Before leaving the Hospital to go back to our cabin. I charged at a Supercharger for 15 minutes and had over 100 miles of range left when we arrived at the cabin.

[Jackstraw2679]

My prediction is that your $100k F350 will be worth $150k or more when and if the ban to sell NEW diesels comes about. Law of supply and demand.

The only issue may be ability to find diesel fuel reasonably priced if CA gets too crazy.

Nothing will kill demand faster than lack of fuel availability.

[Hoopy Frood]

Nothing will kill demand faster than lack of fuel availability.

Which may explain why California has to pass a law enforcing the purchase of electric vehicles. I've heard they have issues with brownouts, black-outs, and other electrical grid problems.