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    You are not factoring in the considerable energy cost to accelerate that much weight from a stop. The efficiency is much lower during that high load period. I unfortunately live in an area with considerable traffic and would be facing a lot of stop and go traffic for hours before I hit truly open freeway driving. That would be extremely costly in electricity, also you cannot fully utilize the regenerative braking in that scenario as you will not have adequate stopping distance/time to NOT use the traditional brakes and lose energy to friction as heat at the brakes.
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    Wait 'til we all show up at the ol' campground, plug in our 50a rigs, fire up the a/c's and then throw the switch on the truck charger. Can you say EMS alert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookinwitdiesel View Post
    You are not factoring in the considerable energy cost to accelerate that much weight from a stop. The efficiency is much lower during that high load period. I unfortunately live in an area with considerable traffic and would be facing a lot of stop and go traffic for hours before I hit truly open freeway driving. That would be extremely costly in electricity, also you cannot fully utilize the regenerative braking in that scenario as you will not have adequate stopping distance/time to NOT use the traditional brakes and lose energy to friction as heat at the brakes.
    It is difficult to explain Regenerative Braking to anybody who has not experienced it. But, I will try...

    In your heavy traffic scenario, regenerative braking would actually be quite beneficial. Think of regenerative braking as driving your rig in first gear all the time, with no need to shift into a higher gear. When you accelerate, you simply press your foot down and when you need to slow down or stop, you simply lift your foot and the energy you used to get yourself started is "regenerated" and put back into the battery for your next acceleration. Depending on the "strength" of the regenerative braking on your truck, you would almost never need to use the brake pedal to stop your rig in traffic. Consequently, with an electric truck, you will use much less energy in stop and go traffic than you would with your Gas/Diesel pickup truck because, you can recapture most of the energy and the electric motor is not "idling" while you are stopped.

    So, with regenerative braking, you could have more "Highway" miles left (in your battery) than you would in your Gas/Diesel truck once you break free of all that stop and go traffic.

    Regenerative braking is like magic for your fuel economy (electrons) and efficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefblueman View Post
    Wait 'til we all show up at the ol' campground, plug in our 50a rigs, fire up the a/c's and then throw the switch on the truck charger. Can you say EMS alert?
    Fortunately, that scenario can be avoided with the software built into the Electric Vehicles. Both charging time (overnight charging) and current draw can be adjusted to prevent any catastrophic events inside the campground. Additionally, devices can easily be built that will sense the amount of energy being used by the coach that will allow the EV to only charge when the energy is not being used by the coach which would have priority.
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    After all the operational issues noted about EVs are solved, how will the tax on motor fuel used for building and maintains infrastructure be replaced? Is the annual registration of an EV truck going to be a couple of thousand dollars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cookinwitdiesel View Post
    You are not factoring in the considerable energy cost to accelerate that much weight from a stop. The efficiency is much lower during that high load period. I unfortunately live in an area with considerable traffic and would be facing a lot of stop and go traffic for hours before I hit truly open freeway driving. That would be extremely costly in electricity, also you cannot fully utilize the regenerative braking in that scenario as you will not have adequate stopping distance/time to NOT use the traditional brakes and lose energy to friction as heat at the brakes.
    Electric vehicles are much more efficient in stop and go traffic than at highway speeds. My Nissan Leaf will do 4.6 kWh/mile in local stop and go and 3.8 miles/kWh at 65 mph. When I select “B” mode which maximizes regenerative braking I only use the brake pedal after the car slows to about 5 mph. Before that the electric engine is used as a generator as the car slows and regenerates or converts the kinetic energy back to replace some of the energy used to accelerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiddy View Post
    After all the operational issues noted about EVs are solved, how will the tax on motor fuel used for building and maintains infrastructure be replaced? Is the annual registration of an EV truck going to be a couple of thousand dollars?
    17 states already impose additional fees on EV owners. https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...cles#gs.utxbnw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerryr View Post
    17 states already impose additional fees on EV owners. https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...cles#gs.utxbnw
    Haven't seen an extra fee here yet that I'm aware of. We do have the highest gas taxes in North America, so I'm sure the politicos have something in the works. The charging stations were free for awhile, but that to is changing. Thanks for the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiddy View Post
    After all the operational issues noted about EVs are solved, how will the tax on motor fuel used for building and maintains infrastructure be replaced? Is the annual registration of an EV truck going to be a couple of thousand dollars?
    This is an issue that is starting to garner some interest.

    The national average for State and Federal tax on Gasoline is ~ $0.55 cents per gallon and ~ $0.62 cents for Diesel.

    Based on average annual miles driven of 13,500 miles and ~ average miles per gallon of 24mpg you would pay a little over $300 per year in Gasoline taxes and about $50 more for Diesel taxes.

    Some States are trying to address this with annual registration fees for EVs, while some States are trying to stop EV sales with an exorbitant Registration fee of $1,000 or more.

    Personally, I think the EV fees should be tied to miles driven in a year and the taxes should work out to be about what we would currently pay for Gas/Diesel taxes.

    As cars are getting more and more fuel efficient, we are paying less and less fuel taxes and that is not sustainable going forward.

    We do need a mechanism to pay for road usage and we need to ensure that it is fair and equitable for everyone.
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    @SolarPoweredRV vehicles are getting more efficient, that could be offset by raising the gas tax for infrastructure. Not sure how you get accurate mileage or even power usage for that matter. You could put a KWH meter on the home charging station, assuming nonhome chargers have infrastructure added to power cost, but then some would bypass the charging port and use a slower 120V outlet.
    I like the idea of miles driven, maybe EVs need the same technology in our smart electric meters.
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