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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    No hope required. You can now buy a 2020 GM 2500 with an 11,300 pound GVWR or a 2020 F250 with a 10,800 GVWR. The GM is a full redesign, so not sure what all went in to increasing the GVWR. The F250 on the other hand is an arbitrary increase. Ford did nothing to actually increase it's load carrying capability. The 10,000 lbs. GVWR was an artificial limit applied to keep the F250 a Class 2 truck and they obviously felt secure enough to increase that artificially low rating by 500 lbs. without re-engineering anything other than the stickers. RAM will follow suit and I expect Ford to eventually offer the option to get an F250 with a GVWR to meet or exceed GM. They are constantly trying to one-up each other. That's what the Big 3 do!
    They ought to simply rebrand the 350 SRW as a 250, then make only a 350 DRW (in addition to 450 etc). Now that 10K has been broken, there just isn't a need for both a 250 and SRW 350.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsmithrr View Post
    My 2020 2500hd with a 6.6 Turbo diesel has
    GVWR 11350
    RGAWR 6600
    Front 5600
    curb weight 8307
    max capacity 3043
    As far as I can tell the only difference between the 2500hd and the 3500hd is the leaf springs at the rear end. The RGAWR and max payload both go up by about 700
    Is your 8307# curb weight empty or loaded (all people, gear, full tanks, stuff, etc.)? From the numbers I think that is empty with a "standard" driver (Ford use 150# for driver). My numbers are GVWR-Payload= Curb weight (w/150# driver)=11,500-3253=8,247#. Less the 150# "standard driver" that gives 8,097#. On the way home from truck dealer I weighed the brand new truck (full tanks, no driver, no dealer options, nothing else) and got 8,100#. About as close as you can get to matching.

    If your weight is empty, I think the 310GK will put you over your Gross vehicle and rear axle weight limits. I figure the wife and I plus hitch, tonneau cover, a cooler of food, a few tools adds 788# to the truck (all counting against the payload number). Your rear axle weight rating is also 630# lower then mine.

    Again, just my numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsmithrr View Post
    I'm planning on getting a 310GKR empty weight 12100 GVWR 15000 empty hitch weight 2350. I have a 2020 2500HD TD GVWR 11350, GCWR 27500, Max trailer 18500. The vin trailer tag says max payload is 3048. If the hith is Figuring 250 for hitch, gas and passengers are 650. It doesn't look like I can pull it even empty. Any comments. Is anyone pulling 15000 pounds with a 2500hd
    No can do. That is why I'm not towing a 337RLS...I have a 2500HD and can't work in a new F-350 right now. There is almost no GD fifth wheel trailer that a 3/4 ton truck can safely tow...maybe a Reflection 150 Series. Even a 3500HD single rear wheel truck is just marginally capable of towing a 15,000 lb fifth wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike32 View Post
    No can do. That is why I'm not towing a 337RLS...I have a 2500HD and can't work in a new F-350 right now. There is almost no GD fifth wheel trailer that a 3/4 ton truck can safely tow...maybe a Reflection 150 Series. Even a 3500HD single rear wheel truck is just marginally capable of towing a 15,000 lb fifth wheel.
    If you equip a 250/2500 so it is virtually identical to a 350/3500, why is it unsafe to tow a reasonably sized fifth wheel? What component of the truck is actually in jeopardy of failing, creating an unsafe condition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    If you equip a 250/2500 so it is virtually identical to a 350/3500, why is it unsafe to tow a reasonably sized fifth wheel? What component of the truck is actually in jeopardy of failing, creating an unsafe condition?
    Lots of misleading information on here. Glad you me and others point this out. Some guys are ridiculous about the yellow sticker payloads yet they NEVER once read the manual about there truck. They are of the mindset that they know everything and read nothing but the yellow sticker. They don't even know exactly why the yellow sticker is there in the first place. They totally ignore the white safety sticker all together where all the safety information comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsmithrr View Post
    My 2020 2500hd with a 6.6 Turbo diesel has
    GVWR 11350
    RGAWR 6600
    Front 5600
    curb weight 8307
    max capacity 3043
    As far as I can tell the only difference between the 2500hd and the 3500hd is the leaf springs at the rear end. The RGAWR and max payload both go up by about 700
    My 2020 310GK loaded for camping puts a minimum of 2,900 lbs on my pin. My F350 has about 3,600 of payload and I'm within 200 lbs of going over. I researched 310GK weights before making my purchase and I've seen multiple people share weights in the 2,800-3,100 range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bone View Post
    Lots of misleading information on here. Glad you me and others point this out. Some guys are ridiculous about the yellow sticker payloads yet they NEVER once read the manual about there truck. They are of the mindset that they know everything and read nothing but the yellow sticker. They don't even know exactly why the yellow sticker is there in the first place. They totally ignore the white safety sticker all together where all the safety information comes from.
    There seems to be something about tow vehicle threads that brings out the Werewolves and Vampires. In other topics people are ok with sharing knowledge and learning from others but when it comes to tow vehicles, people tend to get defensive regarding their point of view. Too often, it results in people arguing a point that they only partially understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    If you equip a 250/2500 so it is virtually identical to a 350/3500, why is it unsafe to tow a reasonably sized fifth wheel? What component of the truck is actually in jeopardy of failing, creating an unsafe condition?
    Not arguing with you. Curious now that F350 SRW CCLB is at 12400#, is that your new self-imposed limit? Edit to add: I'd guess that taking the actual weight to 12400# would get folks real close to the rear GAWR of ~7230#.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backtrack2015 View Post
    Not arguing with you. Curious now that F350 SRW CCLB is at 12400, is that your new self-imposed limit?
    My specific truck (High Capacity Trailer Tow Package) is identical to the most robust 2019 F350 SRW truck available with the exception of the rear leaf springs, but my self imposed limit is not directly related to the (current or previous) GVWR of an F350. Instead it has to do with logic. When inflated to 80 psi, my tires are rated at 7500 lbs. combined. No problem there. The wheels are rated at 7180 lbs. combined. Also not an issue. I have the same Dana axle as a SRW F350 so it is clearly up to the task but in the F250 application, it is only rated to 6340 lbs. Of course that axle rating has nothing to do with the axle itself. It is driven by the lowest rated component of the rear suspension. The only remaining components are the leaf springs which have a lower compression rating (and one less leaf) than an F350. Now, you can get an F250 with the weaker Sterling axle and no overload springs and it will still have the same 6340 lbs. axle rating. That doesn't make logical sense but is a clear indicator that the 6340 lbs. rating of my rear suspension is conservative. So, 6340 pounds on the rear axle is my self imposed limit. That would allow for approximately 3500 pounds of payload. With a fully loaded 303RLS I am under my self imposed limit. More importantly, the truck handles the load with ease. By the way, one of the primary reasons I chose the 303 over the 337 was to avoid the higher pin weight (along with the added length). Like you, I felt like the 337 was more than I wanted to drag behind a SRW truck. I could not be happier with my truck and trailer combination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    My specific truck (High Capacity Trailer Tow Package) is identical to the most robust 2019 F350 SRW truck available with the exception of the rear leaf springs, but my self imposed limit is not directly related to the (current or previous) GVWR of an F350. Instead it has to do with logic. When inflated to 80 psi, my tires are rated at 7500 lbs. combined. No problem there. The wheels are rated at 7180 lbs. combined. Also not an issue. I have the same Dana axle as a SRW F350 so it is clearly up to the task but in the F250 application, it is only rated to 6340 lbs. Of course that axle rating has nothing to do with the axle itself. It is driven by the lowest rated component of the rear suspension. The only remaining components are the leaf springs which have a lower compression rating (and one less leaf) than an F350. Now, you can get an F250 with the weaker Sterling axle and no overload springs and it will still have the same 6340 lbs. axle rating. That doesn't make logical sense but is a clear indicator the the 6340 lbs. rating of my rear suspension is conservative. So, 6340 pounds on the rear axle is my self imposed limit. That would allow for approximately 3500 pounds of payload. With a fully loaded 303RLS I am under my self imposed limit. More importantly, the truck handles the load with ease. By the way, one of the primary reasons I chose the 303 over the 337 was to avoid the higher pin weight (along with the added length). Like you, I felt like the 337 was more than I wanted to drag behind a SRW truck. I could not be happier with my truck and trailer combination.
    I thought your rear GAWR sticker might be limited by the tires as inflated to the recommended 65 psi (IIRC) as opposed to the full 80 psi of the sticker on the F350. I didn’t realize the rear springs were different.
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