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01-11-2023, 04:15 PM #21
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David and Peggy
2019 Ford F350 Lariat, 6.7L Diesel, Dually, Long Bed
Running with 20k Reese Goosebox (Love It) and Ford Factory "Puck" system.
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Powering all this fun with 1200 Watts of Solar, two Tesla, Model S, battery modules, 24 volt Victron Inverter.
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01-11-2023, 04:46 PM #22
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I think that the regulations will not differentiate between Natural Gas and Propane Gas. "Gas is BAD!" Will be the clarion call and Propane will be right behind Natural Gas.
The good news is that Heat Pumps are 300% efficient and they are getting better able to extract heat from colder and colder weather. Additionally, "Ground Source" heat pumps do not need to rely on the weather because they have a buried "Ground Loop" that extracts heat from the earth in the winter and cold in the summer. If you live in a rural area, installation is simplified, because, you can simply dig a wide trench and lay the loop horizontally in the trench, then bury it instead of needing to drill down 300 - 500 feet to install a vertical loop.
If I were living out in the "Country" I would definitely be investing in a ground mount Solar system along with battery storage to eliminate my reliance on the power company. I would also (probably/most likely) not connect it to the grid. I would use a manual transfer switch to disconnect various appliances from the Electrical panel and run them completely "Off Grid". The first appliance I would switch off is my climate control system (theoretically a Ground Source Heat Pump). I would then add additional appliances as I grew my Solar and Battery Storage system capabilities.
The nice thing about a Ground Mount Solar and Battery storage system that is not connected to the grid is that it can not be regulated by the power company. Another nice thing is that you can build it and expand it as funds become available, just plan for the final system so you are not replacing components as you grow. If you check out "Projects with Everyday Dave" on YouTube, you can watch how he installed his ground mounted Solar system and watch a few of his followup videos where he analyzes steps he could have taken to make his project even more cost effective.Last edited by SolarPoweredRV; 01-11-2023 at 04:50 PM.
David and Peggy
2019 Ford F350 Lariat, 6.7L Diesel, Dually, Long Bed
Running with 20k Reese Goosebox (Love It) and Ford Factory "Puck" system.
Stopping with 8,000 lb Disc Brakes and Titan Hydraulic over Electric Brakes system.
Powering all this fun with 1200 Watts of Solar, two Tesla, Model S, battery modules, 24 volt Victron Inverter.
2018 Solitude 310 GK
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01-11-2023, 04:56 PM #23
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Like I said, currently you can eliminate all of your need for Propane except for Heating and Hot Water. Eventually, Hopefully, Maybe Someday, RV manufacturers will start to smarten up about the need for energy efficiency in RVs (RV Furnaces are all Power Pigs) and we will get higher efficiency A/C units that are also designed as Heat Pumps. Until then, the best you can do is strap a "Mini Split" unit onto your back bumper.
David and Peggy
2019 Ford F350 Lariat, 6.7L Diesel, Dually, Long Bed
Running with 20k Reese Goosebox (Love It) and Ford Factory "Puck" system.
Stopping with 8,000 lb Disc Brakes and Titan Hydraulic over Electric Brakes system.
Powering all this fun with 1200 Watts of Solar, two Tesla, Model S, battery modules, 24 volt Victron Inverter.
2018 Solitude 310 GK
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01-11-2023, 05:00 PM #24
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01-11-2023, 05:11 PM #25
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I'm too old to care about gas or no gas. By the time anything gets passed I'll more than likely be done camping anyways. For the younger gen, well they seem to adapt to change pretty easy.
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01-12-2023, 09:49 AM #26
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Folks - it's OK to have the discussion. But you can't bring politics or political views into it here on this forum. Thanks.
We removed some political names form one or more of the early posts on this and I just removed another than mentioned political names/views and references to articles related to politics/political views.Larry KE4DMG
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01-12-2023, 10:09 AM #27
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Good news this AM in WSJournal. The agency looking into this issue stated Propane is not involved, and for natural gas stoves its more about safety standards, such as proving for better ventilation.
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01-12-2023, 10:43 AM #28
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We live on Skaneateles on a shaded north facing lakeside lot with a steep slope behind us. While it's beautiful and cool in the summer, it is usually cold and really snowy in winter (although this winter is an exception)!
Strongly suggest checking out NY's numerous state park campgrounds, but especially Letchworth State Park, which has been ranked as the best state park in the country numerous times by numerous publications. If you love hiking, waterfalls and lakes, the Finger Lakes have it. You want some urban conveniences and fun too... hit the Ithaca NY area. The season is May 1 thru October 31, peak is July and August. In winter we have skiing locally, and within 3-4 hours is Whiteface and Gore. Upstate NY is bigger than it looks on the map. It can be 7-9 hours from the PA border south west of Buffalo thru the Catskills to NY City, and that doesn't include any of the "North Country", which is north of Syracuse, Utica and Albany (aka the Adirondacks). We've had friends stay up here for a month and not see it all. Although I've skied all the 3,500 feet of vertical on Whiteface Mt, I still gotta take the drive up the backside some summer.Doug, Patti and our puppy Leo are from upstate NY.
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01-13-2023, 07:19 AM #29
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Well, you can put to rest all the FUD about banning propane/natural gas. The guy who proposed it has backed waaaaaaaaaaaaay off and now says we should just educate people on the "dangers". All this fuss and foofaraw over nothing...again.
Howard and Peggy
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01-13-2023, 08:04 AM #30
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