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09-12-2022, 08:23 AM #141
Admittedly I have not read all the posts in this thread, so maybe this has been covered. Electricity for re-charging is obviously not free. Based on your 15-20 mpg around town, how much less would the cost for the electricity be vs. that for diesel fuel?
I'm fascinated with the possibilities of EV's but I don't think I've actually seen a cost comparison of a "specific distance" of travel comparing a high mileage ICE vs. an EV.2020 Reflection 273MK
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09-12-2022, 08:38 AM #142
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I pay around .11C/KW. If we figure 2 miles per KW, it would be around $1.10 to drive 20 miles on electric. At 1 mile/KW (which is probably more reasonable for something as big as a 450), around 2.20/20 miles. So, current prices, about 1/2 as much as diesel fuel. Going back two years, when I bought 1000 gallons at 1.10/gallon, it would be twice as expensive to use electric! But I don't think we'll ever see those prices again.
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09-12-2022, 09:35 AM #143
Sounds like you've got real world experience, and that's interesting data. I agree we probably may never see oil prices as low as they were in 2020, but the market will fluctuate, and if it gets back in the $60-70/barrel range it may be close to a break even gasoline vs. electric.
Then there is the question as to electricity cost going up. As more power is consumed by charging EV's, will power companies raise prices significantly?
So, for those buying EV's with the purpose of economics, there could be a lot of uncertainty out there. For those buying for ecology/pollution reasons, price is probably not an issue.2020 Reflection 273MK
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09-12-2022, 11:21 AM #144
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One could only guess how efficient a Super Duty EV would be.
Here are real world numbers from my personal experience.
I currently pay 12.8C/kWh. My compact Nissan Leaf EV on the road does 3.8miles/kWh. That’s 3.68 cents per mile. In town it does 4.5 miles/kWH which is about 2.8 cents per mile. These numbers are at current electric rates. Last year rates we’re as low as 10 cents per kWH.
At 20 mpg and $4.50/gal my F350 diesel costs about 23 cents per mile. When you add the cost of def and oil changes the truck costs at least 25 cent/mile.
So a typical 100 mile trip will cost about $3.68 in the EV and $25.00 in the truck, empty and not towing at 20 mpg
Sure it’s not apples to apples but this is what I save by not using the truck as a daily driver.Last edited by Jerryr; 09-12-2022 at 11:23 AM.
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09-12-2022, 11:46 AM #145
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09-12-2022, 12:59 PM #146
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What about the hidden costs of electric cars. States are already talking about taxing the use of electric cars so they can get road repair revenue. A big portion of the price of gas is tax. How hard will these electric car owners get hit,
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09-12-2022, 01:40 PM #148
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09-12-2022, 01:51 PM #150
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Fossil Fuel vehicles are around 25% efficient (most of their energy gets wasted as heat), EVs are around 90% efficient.
Fossil Fuel Vehicles will never get to 90% efficiency and all the electricity pricing in the most of the US is regulated in some form, so, the prices do not swing the way prices for Gas and Diesel do.
Additionally, many utilities offer off-peak pricing so you can charge for ~ half the price of on-peak rates.
Then with EVs, you have the option of installing Solar panels and paying even less for your electricity.David and Peggy
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