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Cheifblueman,

You are correct that it clearly exceeds even the 3500 axle ratings. It probably got lost in the judgemental noise but the point of the thread was that I suspected a bad scale weight. I later weighed it again and confirmed that. It is still more nose heavy than it should be, but it is in a range that I can load it accordingly.

[mountainman229]

The point I am trying to make is that while the SUV with and without a package (same type of scenario 2500 is not the same as a 3500) is not the same where differences can be difficult to impossible to see. But you missed my point completely.

Not really. I grasped exactly what you were trying to say. Clearly you’ve missed my point entirely by only responding to a fraction of what I said.


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[bertschb]

...I came here for an intelligent technical discussion. I thought that's what we did here.

It's hard to have intelligent technical discussions when the topic is trucks, hitches or tires. This group does an amazing job on just about all other topics though. Don't give up!

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Maybe another way to look at this might be to look at the long term trends in models offered (from all three). Way back, even before my time, maybe, a half ton truck meant 1000 pounds. A 3/4 ton truck meant 1500 pounds, etc. The big jump was a one ton truck was always a dually. They all got heavier and the names began to mean less. Fast forward to the present and we have four models offered. So exactly what is a 3500 SRW? Is it a stiffer 2500 or is it a softer 3500? It is not a stretch to think that the cost of designing, tooling and building four separate trucks is not worth it. So, the marketing people, doing what they do, have added a fourth model at not must extra cost.

Not substantiated fact, but something to make you say hmmm...

[Edutron]

Nothing to discuss. All the trucks pull. Its all about payload. End of discussion.

[copyritejim]

I have a 2016 Silverado Duramax long bed. A friend of mine works for the town and works with a guy who specs out the trucks for their individual needs. He ran my vin number with the factory and the factory specs for my truck claims I can tow with a pin weight of 3725 lbs. He also recommended not putting air bags on because it would interfere with the computer braking. However I am considering installing air bags for a smoother ride. Any feedback on that subject would be appreciated.


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Thanks for the meaningful input edutron, now I know I don't have to ask questions and dig deeper.

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Copyritejim,

It sounds like you are asking a completely different question.

If you are looking for a smoother ride, it sounds like you want to decrease your load capacity under certain circumstances. You can PM me for an opinion about that or maybe ask your question differently?

[Tim2542]

Jim I would politely disagree, i went thru this drill also looking up p/n’s, the rear axle is the same. The only difference is the spring pack, wheels and tires possibly. I looked up #’s on my 2014 Dmax, and my new 2018.

First the disclaimers: This is my experience only and I do not recommend that this be taken as the final truth.

This sums this up very well. First your rear axle and spring packs are different. Secondly you may want to take the time to look up part numbers on the entire cooling system, transmission cooler, and other thermal components. Don't forget the calibration part numbers. This subject gets tossed around all the time and its the 3/4 ton guys that insist their trucks are the same as a one ton. While they may use a high percentage of parts, they are not the same since each model must be able to pass SAE tests at GCVWR. In the one ton case, the truck is modeled, to handle a higher GCVWR so some components such as bearings, wheels, cooling system components, suspension components, calibrations for different weight classes, and much more are designed for the higher loads then ran through durability tests then finalized to pass SAE tests. GM is more straight forward where Ford based on several packages (Even the F150 HDPP can tow and haul more than some F250s) can result in some lower level F350 trucks having a lower payload and GCVWR of the F250 but you can be sure all these vehicles are designed to haul and tow what is listed on the door jamb labels.

[CWSWine]

If you looked PN numbers online those are not the part number they are part identifier. When you type the number into the computer at the Ford parts counter and add the year and model the computer will select the correct part number for your truck. A rear end carrier bearing has over 100 different part number depending on year and model number and in some cases the VIN number for mid year changes.

Jim I would politely disagree, i went thru this drill also looking up p/n’s, the rear axle is the same. The only difference is the spring pack, wheels and tires possibly. I looked up #’s on my 2014 Dmax, and my new 2018.