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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    Now you're starting to understand. An F350 is more capable than an F450 when similarly equipped. The payload sticker proves it. Also, if you choose to de-rate your F350 SRW to 10,000 pounds, it is less capable than the exact same truck that was not de-rated. This is made obvious by the payload sticker. If you load that 11,500 lbs GVWR F350 to 11,499 pounds you are safe. If you load the (mechanically identical) de-rated 10,000 lbs GVWR F350 to 10,001 lbs you are unsafe. The payload sticker says so and it must be taken at face value with no logic applied. The payload sticker clearly determines capability. It is black and white.
    Stop with all your common sense and "logic" It doesn't apply here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    Now you're starting to understand. An F350 is more capable than an F450 when similarly equipped. The payload sticker proves it. Also, if you choose to de-rate your F350 SRW to 10,000 pounds, it is less capable than the exact same truck that was not de-rated. This is made obvious by the payload sticker. If you load that 11,500 lbs GVWR F350 to 11,499 pounds you are safe. If you load the (mechanically identical) de-rated 10,000 lbs GVWR F350 to 10,001 lbs you are unsafe. The payload sticker says so and it must be taken at face value with no logic applied. The payload sticker clearly determines capability. It is black and white.
    I can completely see the logic behind a properly optioned F250 and F350 being mechanically identical. What I don't see is the basis for exceeding a GVW of 11500 with an F250... which is something I see all the time around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    What that article states is the Ford and GM 3/4 and 1 ton trucks can be optioned to be nearly identical. The same is not true of RAM. The 2500 gets the coil rear suspension and lower output Cummins.
    The 2500 also receives a weaker transmission than the 3500 HD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramcneal View Post
    The 2500 also receives a weaker transmission than the 3500 HD.
    True. But you can get that same weaker transmission in the 3500 SRW or DRW and since it’s lighter you get more payload then the “stronger” transmission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerBrewer View Post
    High Five...I could not agree more with what you've written and we did exactly the same thing as you. We made sure that the trailer that we purchased was well within the published specs of our TV.

    I don't mean to stir the pot, but I found this article which seems to do a nice job of explaining the differences between 3/4 and 1 ton pick-up trucks.

    https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2018/0...0s-differ.html
    I just purchased a Grand Design Reflection 337RLS and I know folks have stated here that they pull the 337RLS trailers with their 3/4 ton trucks without issue. I chose to upgrade from my RAM 2500 to a RAM 3500 Dual Rear wheel truck and couldn't be happier. Back in 2009 I purchased a 5th wheel from Keystone which I pulled with my 2006 2500. I added air bags and told myself I was equal to a SRW 3500, which I do think I actually was for that year, to meet payload numbers. I was still nervous while I drove that truck/trailer combo since I always knew a blow out on the truck rear tires would be a real pucker factor. I've pulled my 337RLS with my 3500 DRW and it's a whole different league. I know that a lot of folks probably don't want to step up to a 3500 DRW from a 2500 SRW, but I would suggest that they do so if at all possible. I was able to find an 18 month old 3500 DRW and got a great deal since it's easier for the dealers to sell 2500 short beds than a 3500 dually long bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKellerJr View Post
    True. But you can get that same weaker transmission in the 3500 SRW or DRW and since it’s lighter you get more payload then the “stronger” transmission.
    While that might be true, I've not looked at the actual numbers, my 2018 Laramie Crew Cab 3500 DRW long bed with the Aisiin HD transmission has a payload of 5,377lbs. I seriously doubt I'll need more payload capacity than what's available. So, more payload is a moot point to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backtrack2015 View Post
    I can completely see the logic behind a properly optioned F250 and F350 being mechanically identical. What I don't see is the basis for exceeding a GVW of 11500 with an F250... which is something I see all the time around here.
    I agree. The GVWR of 350/3500 (Class 3) trucks is probably the most accurate when determining actual capability. A Class 3 truck can be rated up to 14,000 lbs but nobody is making a SRW that approaches that number. Why is that? My guess is that it just isn't possible yet from an engineering standpoint. I suspect 11,500 is a realistic ceiling for a F250 or F350 SRW.

    A Class 2 is limited to 10,000 lbs so 250/2500 at that rating are a dime a dozen. You can get a gas F250 with a weaker transmission, weaker rear axle, taller gears and softer front springs and it will have the same 10,000 GVWR as my much stouter F250. How does that make sense? I draw the line at 11,500 for my truck. That is one of the primary reasons I have a 303 instead of a 337.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramcneal View Post
    While that might be true, I've not looked at the actual numbers, my 2018 Laramie Crew Cab 3500 DRW long bed with the Aisiin HD transmission has a payload of 5,377lbs. I seriously doubt I'll need more payload capacity than what's available. So, more payload is a moot point to me.
    Agreed. Was Just pointing out that the Aisin isn’t really a 2500/3500 hundred thing. Cant get it in a 2500 but it’s an option for both the SRW and DRW 3500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD68 View Post
    I suspect 11,500 is a realistic ceiling for a F250 or F350 SRW.
    Ram has had 12,300 GVWR SRW since 2013. The 2020 GM twins are 12,300 I believe. And I would guess the new ford is the same but I haven’t seen the official numbers yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKellerJr View Post
    Agreed. Was Just pointing out that the Aisin isn’t really a 2500/3500 hundred thing. Cant get it in a 2500 but it’s an option for both the SRW and DRW 3500.
    True, but looking at the configuration options the dual rear wheels only adds $1300 to the price and given what that option provides in both payload and peace of mind it seems like a no brainer. Of course, I'm one of those people who has no trouble parking as far out as possible since I feel walking as much as possible is good for me. I've also never had trouble driving large trucks since I learned how to drive a class 8 truck years ago. Others want or need a smaller truck and still want to pull a larger trailer. All a trade off and I would only suggest that folks look seriously at a 1 ton dually if they are going to pull any 5th wheel over 13,000lbs. That's not to say a 3500/350 isn't capable, it's just the DRW provides a nice safety margin. I hope that makes sense.
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