Record low Diesel inventory - any problems with supply yet?

**JM0397** · 12-01-2022, 09:40 AM

I forgot to report in. 2 weeks on the road, from E Tennessee to Venice, Fl to St Augustine this week and heading home tomorrow.
No fuel issues at all, averaging around $5 a gallon, $4.80-$5.25ish.

**JM0397** · 12-01-2022, 09:42 AM

Side note to self and others, don’t run the I75-i4-i95 corridor on a holiday weekend. Venice to St Augustine on Sunday wasn’t fun, +90 minutes from about 5 different wrecks.

**Dadeo6472** · 12-02-2022, 11:09 AM

Where I live in upstate NY, the price has gone up, so diesel is now $1.50 more than gas. But a good chunk of that has been the NYS gas tax holiday that's been in place for the last few months. I've not had any trouble getting diesel.

Nevertheless, with little to no snow on the ground we've been using our two little FWD "baby" cars more than usual. The old Solara convertible gets about 25 mpg and the older Sentra gets about 30. Once the snow flies the 4wd truck will see more action.

**JohnnyBadger** · 12-02-2022, 11:34 AM

This article just popped into my inbox earlier today:

https://rvbusiness.com/looming-diese..._source=RVLIFE

**Dadeo6472** · 12-02-2022, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyBadger

This article just popped into my inbox earlier today:

https://rvbusiness.com/looming-diese..._source=RVLIFE

Yeah, I suspect that in the long run the good old ICE is doomed. Give it 15 years and we will be driving many more trucks powered by something like a hybrid, or all electric, or hydrogen fuel cells. Not that I like the idea. I just think it is inevitable. Its politically less popular every year (world-wide) to build or expand refineries, wells and pipelines. And nobody really wants to live near any of them. Frankly, I am also worried that the same problem is going to inhibit development of alternatives. Nobody wants to live next to a lithium mine or live under a windmill farm either. The pessimistic side of me says the era of cheap energy may be over, hopefully solar technology will accelerate, and maybe, maybe nuclear will be viewed less catastrophically.

**Grandesigner** · 12-03-2022, 08:43 AM

This was about 2 weeks ago...just sold my old diesel truck, glad to have my new gasser.

**Corky2** · 12-03-2022, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Dadeo6472

Yeah, I suspect that in the long run the good old ICE is doomed. Give it 15 years and we will be driving many more trucks powered by something like a hybrid, or all electric, or hydrogen fuel cells. Not that I like the idea. I just think it is inevitable. Its politically less popular every year (world-wide) to build or expand refineries, wells and pipelines. And nobody really wants to live near any of them. Frankly, I am also worried that the same problem is going to inhibit development of alternatives. Nobody wants to live next to a lithium mine or live under a windmill farm either. The pessimistic side of me says the era of cheap energy may be over, hopefully solar technology will accelerate, and maybe, maybe nuclear will be viewed less catastrophically.

Currently there is no viable replacement for our petroleum based economy. Our economy will collapse long before a viable replacement(s) exist. So the only solution to the problem is to remove the politics and political agendas that is driving this slow-motion trainwreck before we have a much bigger problem to deal with, if its not too late.

**goducks14** · 12-03-2022, 09:45 AM

We don't really know what's being designed or researched. Only what trickles out here and there. What I have seen is new battery technology that will be a game changer. Anyone that thinks EV's aren't going to make it is delusional.
Most of the negative stuff written about EV's is propaganda from companies that don't have a stake in EV's and will suffer because of. It's only natural in todays world or media to downgrade something that won't benefit you.
What we now in the EV world is only a fraction of what will become the mainstay. Yes some sectors of transportation will lag when converting to EV's. But that doesn't mean EV's as a whole will lag.
Hyundai just broke ground on a $5.54B plant in GA to build EV's and batteries.
Just because trucks will lag behind cars in EV sales doesn't mean EV's won't become dominant in the future.
One just needs to look at who's behind the negativity.

**Corky2** · 12-03-2022, 10:52 AM

My daughter in-law bought a Tesla recently. It's a beautiful car and high tech for sure. She had a charging cable installed in her garage which was smart. She and the son live in SoCal and she travels about 60 miles a day and needs a recharge every other day. The car and technology works well for her local driving scenario.

The disappointment came when she and my son took the Tesla to Vegas. She couldn't make the 265 mile trip without a recharge, about halfway (Baker CA). The lesson learned was her Tesla works great for local driving but not so much for a road trip.

I believe EV technology will be a viable option for replacing petroleum based transportation someday but it's probably several decades away. Most likely newer and better transportation technologies will be available by then too so EV might not even be the best option several decades from now.

But our petroleum based economy includes much more than just petroleum based transportation. It's used throughout our economy.

**Riverbug** · 12-03-2022, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by goducks14

We don't really know what's being designed or researched. Only what trickles out here and there. What I have seen is new battery technology that will be a game changer. Anyone that thinks EV's aren't going to make it is delusional.
Most of the negative stuff written about EV's is propaganda from companies that don't have a stake in EV's and will suffer because of. It's only natural in todays world or media to downgrade something that won't benefit you.
What we now in the EV world is only a fraction of what will become the mainstay. Yes some sectors of transportation will lag when converting to EV's. But that doesn't mean EV's as a whole will lag.
Hyundai just broke ground on a $5.54B plant in GA to build EV's and batteries.
Just because trucks will lag behind cars in EV sales doesn't mean EV's won't become dominant in the future.
One just needs to look at who's behind the negativity.

On the flip side you also have to look at who's behind positivity too. Not making any judgement either way here, just saying whichever side has something to gain or lose is going to tout whatever helps them or hinders the other.