2022 260RD 12Volt LiFePO4/Solar/Inverter Install

Soundsailor

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Inspired by [MENTION=39281]df_2112[/MENTION] (see here), I thought I would post my progress on my build so far. First off, I'd like to thank the many folks on this forum who have inspired me (and at times slightly intimidated me) and provided me with great examples of what can be done. On my last TT, I had a fairly simple solar set up with a couple of 100-watt panels, an MPPT charge controller, and a couple of 100 Ah AGM batteries. This worked great, on most sunny days my batteries would be fully charged by 2 PM. I even had a 50-watt panel on a leash that I could move around when I was in the woods.

However, my new 260RD came with a 12-volt refrigerator and I knew I was going to need more to keep that running. Not having much real-world experience with that refrigerator, I assumed a worst-case scenario: the unit would draw 4 amps per hour continuously over the day. So with that in mind, I was looking for 96 Ah per day for the refrigerator plus another 25 Ah for other electric uses within the coach, let's call it a daily energy budget of 120 Ah. My plan called for enough battery capacity to carry us at an off-grid location for at least 5 days with no additional power from solar or generator (we will have both but I'm conservative). So I needed a minimum of 600 Ah (5 days x 120 Ah per day). Based on what I read on this forum, I decided to "go big or go home" and purchased 4 200 Ah LiFePo4 batteries for a total of 800 Ah. And since the Lossigy batteries that I purchased don't have low temp cutoff or internal heating, I knew I was going to need a suitable container where I could store the batteries with insulation and heaters.

Despite a fair amount of research, I was unable to find any boxes that would accommodate my battery bank so I knew I was going to have to build something myself. That was a bit scary since I have very limited skills in the carpentry area. I'm fine with mechanical and electrical items, but wood and I have never done well together.

Fortunately, I had some old plywood and OSB lying around so if the box turned out too ugly I wouldn't be out much. But....

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The box has turned out much better than I expected, not a thing of beauty, but functional.

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It even holds the batteries!

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And fits in the forward compartment (once I remove the stock battery the battery bank will move over more to the driver's side).

The next step is to fit the box with the bus bars for the battery cables, wrap the batteries with insulation, and install the battery heaters.
 
Nice, keep the pictures coming as your project progresses. 800ah, real nice.

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Funny. You're afraid of wood and most people of scared of electricity.

Go big or go home indeed. Sounds like you thought about your needs, looked at what options there are, and made a decision that works for you. A+
 
Nearly got the battery heaters done.
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For the temperature controller I'm using the XH-W3001 Digital LED Temperature Controller Module. The temperature probe will be taped to one of the batteries on the inside. I went with two sets just in case one failed, I would still have some heat. Sheet metal lines the base to help with thermal transfer.

For the heaters: these heat pads.

Planning to wrap the batteries in this insulation. The box will be covered once the installation is complete.

Once I get the main bus bars for the battery connection in, I'm still waiting on some of the 4/0 battery cables to check the positioning, I'll connect up the mini-busbars to the power (inline fuse already in place). I have a small on/off switch for the summer when heating won't be required.
 
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Phase II

Phase II is complete.
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Charge controller mounted to board along with ATS, shunt, inverter, bus bars, and switches. The main switch also has the main fuse attached via a block connector. On the board but not yet wired is the DC to DC charger. I decided not to tackle a reorganization of the GD stuff yet, simply ran the two positive cables from the stock battery to a switch on the board, and the negative cable from the stock battery to the negative bus bar.

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Here it is with the battery system in place. Wired the 4 batteries in a star configuration (maximizes power distribution) with single cables wired to the main switch and the shunt.

Note the compartment light on (proof of operation). Oh, and the 12-volt refrigerator is running fine!
 
Phase III complete

Phase III is now complete with the wiring of the ATS.

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Compared with other parts of the process, this one was a breeze. Cut the orange ROMEX as advised by GD, and used 10 gauge WAGO connectors (again as per GD instructions). Taped it up pretty well since I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy. The result isn't pretty, but very functional. If I have the inclination next winter, I may well rebuild the whole system. I've really learned a lot doing this and the rebuild would be much simpler than this process. Most likely I would us a higher grade of plywood, going for a prettier look (part of the intimidation I described in the first post of this thread comes from others who have posted pictures of builds that both work well and look good).

As far as working well, it appears that this system will do that. I asked my wife to come out and use her shake blender in the kitchen and it performed properly. We were also able to use the microwave. I'm not sure about the air conditioner. I'll be trying it as soon as I get the soft start installed (a later phase).

Phase IV will be completing the wiring for the portable solar panels and the charge controller. I got a cheap PWM controller for the portable panels since they won't need all of the fancy features (I would say that the Furrion factory installed 160-watt panel and MPPT controller have worked better than I expected). My friend built a beautiful (to me) frame for my two 50-watt panels. He's working on a second frame, so I'll have a total of 200-watts than can be moved around to catch the sun when we camp in the woods.

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More detail on the Inverter install and wiring please. I have a 2022 260 RD. Switched to 400 amp hrs. Of lithium batteries and next is installing an inverter.
Also, what ATS did you choose? And it's installed in between the inverter and the romex? Thanks.
Rick.
 
More detail on the Inverter install and wiring please. I have a 2022 260 RD. Switched to 400 amp hrs. Of lithium batteries and next is installing an inverter.
Also, what ATS did you choose? And it's installed in between the inverter and the romex? Thanks.
Rick.

Sure Rick, here are the instructions I got from GD.

View attachment 2000W inverter install.pdf

I used a small ATS since it is only powering the internal AC sockets and the microwave. See https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B004S5Y158/

I plugged one end of the ATS into a 15 Amp connection on the Renogy 3,000-watt inverter. Once I cut the Romex, I used a multimeter to check which side was shore power. Be sure to use the 10 gauge Wago connectors, they're more rugged than the 12 gauge.

Let me know if you need any more help. The system has been working great.

Someday I may wire up a 50-Amp ATS so I can supply the whole trailer including the A/C. Right now when I want to run the A/C from the battery bank, I turn off the charger/converter and connect the 50 Amp feed for the trailer directly to the inverter. Not a big deal since I don't run the A/C from the batteries too often. But the geek in me wants a whole coach solution where I just flip a switch.
 
@Soundsailer, nice install. Just wondering if you could report back on your experience with the Lossigy batteries. I was looking at AGMs but then some of these off brand lithiums are not that much more (around $300ish for 100Ah). Some of the more mainstream brands are more than double price for the same capacity, so just wondering about quality of the off brands. Thanks.
 
@Soundsailer, nice install. Just wondering if you could report back on your experience with the Lossigy batteries. I was looking at AGMs but then some of these off brand lithiums are not that much more (around $300ish for 100Ah). Some of the more mainstream brands are more than double price for the same capacity, so just wondering about quality of the off brands. Thanks.

I have been very happy with the Lossigy batteries. They have performed exactly as expected. Wish I could say the same for the WFCO WF-9855-AD converter charger I bought to handle Lithium charging. I can unreservedly recommend the Lossigy batteries, not the charger.
 
Soundsailor
I am a new member, rolled a 2019 GD 273Mk/2019 Ram 2500 diesel in Wyoming during crazy winter, have new 260 RD, super interested in your process as described.
My question is the wiring for the heat pads. You used. I assume if I keep the the same wired the same into the controller they will work and I can use 1 controller to control 2 pads
Thanks!
 
Soundsailor
I am a new member, rolled a 2019 GD 273Mk/2019 Ram 2500 diesel in Wyoming during crazy winter, have new 260 RD, super interested in your process as described.
My question is the wiring for the heat pads. You used. I assume if I keep the the same wired the same into the controller they will work and I can use 1 controller to control 2 pads
Thanks!

Welcome to the forum [MENTION=41091]Dme4800[/MENTION], hope you will enjoy your 260RD as we have been. Yes, I believe you could use a single controller to service two heat pads. Good luck with your projects, let us know how you get along.
 
after owning our 260 RD for almost three years, dealing with the faulty parts and install of the slide system twice, A non Grand Design dealer tech. fixed it correctly the third time, Grand Design, in their defense, did pay for parts and labor, we are finally ready to upgrade the electrical system. 20240411_153300_resized.jpg 20240412_113814_resized.jpg Here are pictures of the new battery box that holds 400 amp hrs. of lithium batteries.
 
we are finally ready to upgrade the electrical system. Here are pictures of the new battery box that holds 400 amp hrs. of lithium batteries.

Nice job with the battery box. Dropping it down like that maintains more room in the front compartment. Those look like batteries you built yourself, how did that go? Do you have heaters for the batteries?
 
Yes. heaters under batteries with thermostats. The thermostats are mounted under the charge controller now. that was todays project.
The batteries are two Weise 200 amp hr. for a total of 400 amp. hr. battery Bank. Next install is inverter and ATS switch. last will be two more solar panels for a total of 600 when done.
 
I would paint/vinyl wrap the box black. Just saying, it seems to stand out too much. But, that is just me.
 
For everyone putting in extra batteries and inverters in the front compartment: Any worries about the extra weight up front? I am picking up our new 337RLS soon and planning to put in an inverter and 250 lbs of batteries. Would they be okay there or in the main pass thru storage area? I have a F350 SRW shortbox with a payload of 4,069 lbs.
 

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