2800BH or 2400BH with F150 Diesel

[kodipak]

I am looking to buy either of these two trailers. I have read all the threads thus far and haven’t seen anyone with this truck yet. Total capacity is a hair over 11,200#, payload limit on my door sticker is 1400#. I sold my previous trailer and all gear will transfer to the new rig. Total weight of all added cargo in the trailer will never exceed 1000 pounds (not including water). I know this because I have weighed it from my previous trailer. My F150 is the lariat 4x4 SB superCrew with the 3.0 powerstroke. Total weight of all occupants and gear in vehicle will never exceed 350 pounds…I pack light (not an RV gear hoarder) and keep everything in the trailer. I use 2 lithium batteries, 2 - 20# LP.

My question is this. I figure I am good on all weights in either case with 164# payload to spare on the 2800 and 209# to spare on the 2400. Will the Propride 3P be a necessity for a good pull or should the Equalizer 4 point do the job. I am leaning Propride and the 2800BH unless I am missing something.

 

[NB Canada]

Imo a propride is unnecessary if the trailer is loaded properly with a heavy TW

The Equalizer is a great hitch. It is what I used on my previous trailer
I now have a Husky Centreline that works great as well but I wish I had my Equalizer back

I don’t bring anything out of the ordinary with us camping other than maybe regular folding chairs(hate camp chairs) that may weigh more perhaps
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Can’t find my last weigh slip but with my kids 16 and 10 and my dog ,one bike in the truck ,box with helmets and life jackets and 2 tandem kayaks with rack ( total weight of kayaks and rack 220 lbs) my GVW of the truck was 7400 lbs and change

So over by the weight of the kayaks

I personally think you will likely be over payload with the 2400 and definitely over with the 2800 and the extra weight of the propride will just make it worse


The 1400 payload you mentioned,is that door numbers or actual scale numbers?
My door says just under 1800 lbs payload but scale says I have 1300


2021 Imagine 2400 BH
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 crew

 

[Ynot4me2]

I'm currently towing a 22mle (GVWR 6995) with a F150 2.7 EB Lariat (payload sticker 1426). Our tw is usually around 760. IMHO I wouldn't go any larger or heavier. The power is adequate, it's just at it's limit everywhere else. YMMV. On the GD tt, the tw is usually around 12.5 and 13%. BTW, the propride is real heavy wdh, you'll need to factor that weight in the payload.

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[GregTheLeg]

IMO, if that 350 lb gear/occupant in the vehicle number holds, you will probably be near payload with the 2400BH and an Equalizer 4, and likely over with the ProPride. The issue with the 2400BH for me has been getting enough weight on the tongue to eliminate sway. I need to re-weigh again after some recent changes moving gear around, but in the past I have been ~50 lbs under payload hitched up. (I have an 1850 lb payload but more occupant/gear weight than you.)

 

[thegreenblade]

I would buy the 2800 and a new truck or buy an A or C class and pull your old truck with it. I love my 2400bh but after a month trip and getting comfortable towing it I could of used a little bigger.
TW is about 1000

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[kodipak]

IMO, if that 350 lb gear/occupant in the vehicle number holds, you will probably be near payload with the 2400BH and an Equalizer 4, and likely over with the ProPride. The issue with the 2400BH for me has been getting enough weight on the tongue to eliminate sway. I need to re-weigh again after some recent changes moving gear around, but in the past I have been ~50 lbs under payload hitched up. (I have an 1850 lb payload but more occupant/gear weight than you.)

So if my situation mirrors yours, which it sounds like it could, what hitch do you use that is not getting rid of all the sway?

 

[kodipak]

I would buy the 2800 and a new truck or buy an A or C class and pull your old truck with it. I love my 2400bh but after a month trip and getting comfortable towing it I could of used a little bigger.
TW is about 1000

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How heavy are you loading the trailer to get the 1000# TW?

 

[kodipak]

Imo a propride is unnecessary if the trailer is loaded properly with a heavy TW

The Equalizer is a great hitch. It is what I used on my previous trailer
I now have a Husky Centreline that works great as well but I wish I had my Equalizer back

I don’t bring anything out of the ordinary with us camping other than maybe regular folding chairs(hate camp chairs) that may weigh more perhaps
Tools and a box with repair materials (eternabond,sealant,hoses,regulator etc)
Portable BBQ
Can’t find my last weigh slip but with my kids 16 and 10 and my dog ,one bike in the truck ,box with helmets and life jackets and 2 tandem kayaks with rack ( total weight of kayaks and rack 220 lbs) my GVW of the truck was 7400 lbs and change

So over by the weight of the kayaks

I personally think you will likely be over payload with the 2400 and definitely over with the 2800 and the extra weight of the propride will just make it worse


The 1400 payload you mentioned,is that door numbers or actual scale numbers?
My door says just under 1800 lbs payload but scale says I have 1300


2021 Imagine 2400 BH
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 crew

1400 payload is door sticker max payload numbers. Don’t know what actual scale is. I don’t put anything in the bed of my truck when I tow, just 350# of people, not including me, and my hitch (everything else goes in trailer). So that leaves up to 1050# left for tongue weight and hitch allowance.

 

[NB Canada]

1400 payload is door sticker max payload numbers. Don’t know what actual scale is. I don’t put anything in the bed of my truck when I tow, just 350# of people, not including me, and my hitch (everything else goes in trailer). So that leaves up to 1050# left for tongue weight and hitch allowance.

Run it over a scale It only takes a minute or two

Google cat scales They are everywhere

Take the weight minus the gvwr and that is your payload

Unsure what the person above is experiencing but my 2400 tracks perfectly behind my GMC
Literally can drive with a finger on the wheel while being passed
This was the same when driving the trailer home when new which was 1300km and empty (630lbs TW)

I am quite positive you will be over with the 2400
Would it stop me? Unlikely but that is your call only to make
We generally drag our trailer 3-4 hours and park it for the summer only moving it between sites when there


2021 Imagine 2400 BH
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 crew

 

[NB Canada]

My last cat scale heading to the coast minus the wife




2021 Imagine 2400 BH
2018 GMC Sierra 4x4 crew

 

[thegreenblade]

How heavy are you loading the trailer to get the 1000# TW?

6860Lbs


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[Flip94ta]

I love the Ford 1/2 ton diesels but they really didn’t give them enough payload to be useful.

I would steer clear of the 2800BH, it’s just too much trailer with the 1/2 ton. We were looking at the same two campers as you. Bought a 2500RL for less money. Replaced the recliners with a 72” pull out couch with some of that savings and have zero regrets. Love the bigger bathroom between us and the boys and also the living room full of windows for great views. Weighs 920lbs on the tongue ready to camp.

 

[kodipak]

I love the Ford 1/2 ton diesels but they really didn’t give them enough payload to be useful.

I would steer clear of the 2800BH, it’s just too much trailer with the 1/2 ton. We were looking at the same two campers as you. Bought a 2500RL for less money. Replaced the recliners with a 72” pull out couch with some of that savings and have zero regrets. Love the bigger bathroom between us and the boys and also the living room full of windows for great views. Weighs 920lbs on the tongue ready to camp.

We like the 2500RL too. Do you find it problematic at all to have to turn the couch/dinette into a bed and back each day?

 

[Flip94ta]

Our boys are 9 and 11. The slept on the dinette the last season and a half. They were fine but getting a little cramped. We all loved the recliners more than we expected and it was only their growing size that made us pull the trigger on the couch. The dinette takes much longer to break down and set up. But you get good at it, maybe 2 minutes for it.

This spring we bought the trifold sofa. They use a pillow and sleeping bag on the pull out couch. At breakfast time we have them throw their bags and pillows on our mattress and it takes me 30 seconds to make the couch or bed. We don’t use sheets. You can get it from the factory with the 68” couch. But since I caught a deal on one with recliners I took it. I bought a 72” couch off Amazon, it was pricey, like $1350. It makes a short queen bed, like 70x60. I’ve laid on it and I’m sure adults could use it in a pinch. It fits that spot in the 2500 like a glove, like it was really designed for it. I feel like in another 2-3 years they’ll want to be in a tent.

To answer another question you posted, the 2400, 2500 and 2600 campers, like all grand designs, are much heavier on the tongue weight than what they publish. The first two are commonly in the 800-1000lb range and 2600 seems too be a little lighter because if that rear bath. Maybe 750-850lbs. Owners feel free to chime in. You can also use the search feature finding these numbers as we’ve have this conversation dozens of times. Search “2400rb tongue weight”.

I suggest having a good look at the 2500 and 2600. We picked our 2500 mostly on price, but then the floor plan has won us over. At the time it also offered larger tanks than the 2400 and that matters because we boondock a lot. The 2600 had the best storage and heavier axles, but you would want to verify the size of that pullout couch and that floor plan puts the kids kinda close to the mommy/daddy bed.

 

[GregTheLeg]

So if my situation mirrors yours, which it sounds like it could, what hitch do you use that is not getting rid of all the sway?

Sorry for the delay, I have been traveling. I have the Equalizer 4 hitch. I moved some gear I carried in the truck bed to the pass through to raise the tongue weight, and towing was much better this last trip with little sway at ~65 mph. Had a day with ~20mph winds also, with no real issues. Now need to reweigh, but I would guess my tongue weigh is about 900lbs based on my earlier scale tickets.

 

[Lane Hog]

I pull a 29TBS with the 150 Ecoboost MaxTow using a Reese Dual Cam. Tongue weight is 1100 plus 7800 on the axles. It's a bit over the edge of what most drivers here would like. I've been towing for a while and am fine with that. I keep my speed down for braking and it does fine on everything except gas mileage.

Sure, I'd be happier with a 3/4 ton, but I bought the truck I need 48 weeks a year, not what I'd like 4 weeks of the year.

 

[Bivitar]

I had a different brand RV that is the same floorplan as the 2400BH (~100# between the two on brochure stats). Towed it with a F-150 5.0L V8 w/ tow pkg (15,100 GCWR, 7200 GVWR, 1344 CCC) with an Equalizer hitch.

Loaded RV with aftermarket mattress, no water, tongue weight was 800#-850# using a Sherline trailer tongue weight scale, throw in the hitch weight (~109#) and there was only 385#-435# for driver and passengers. Don't forget if you have a truck bed cover or other aftermarket add-ons then those count against CCC too. Good for a couple going out for a short trip, but any more passengers or stuff in the bed then we'd be over.

The setup drove fine and was stable on the highway until a semi or big RV passed then it was active driving to keep separation. While we were good on our weights, it just wasn't comfortable to drive and I didn't look forward to getting out on the road.

The 2400BH or 2500RL would be hitting the limits of that truck in real world use. For shorter trips and seasonal use, it should be fine but I wouldn't enjoy taking that setup cross country.

On a side note the challenge of the 2400BH is it's good for sleeping and a meal, but can feel cramped if you need to stay inside during the evening. The 2500RL would give you more evening space and seats for everyone to do a movie night when its raining outside at the cost of the kids not having dedicated space.