(3 of 4) 15" Goodyear Endurance Failed in Year 3

[my12by60]

We bought our 2017 29RS in August 2021 and changed out the OEM Westlake tires for GY Endurance through Discount Tire here in the AZ desert. Fortunately, we bought the Discount Tire warranty certificates. We take long trip each summer for about two months and usually tow the trailer between 3 and 5 thousand miles per trip. So we had about 10,000 towing miles on these tires to start our summer 2024 trip. We keep the tires under covers when the RV is in the storage lot. I drive like and old lady and usually set the cruise at 60mph. We have been weighed fully loaded at a CAT scale and are within weight limits.

On three separate towing segments this summer, we had a different tire begin to lose air due to tread separation. Luckily for us, we caught them all without having any blow-outs. A Discount Tire store in Carson City, NV replaced the first failure at no charge and also a second tire that was starting to separate, again at no charge. Later in the trip, a third tire began to lose air. That tire was replaced at Discount Tire in Jackson, CA for no charge. Based on the three failures, we agreed to pay half the cost to replace the final Endurance as a preemptive measure. So we ended the trip with four new Endurance tires, but a great loss of confidence in the quality and longevity of the tires.

We will hope to get three years from the new Endurance tires, but will be watching them closely. After this set is done for, we will be looking for a different option for 15-inch tires.

 

[OC455-]

I've seen a couple of Goodyear Endurance tires fail after a few hundred miles. My neighbors 5'ver had two of them fail on him. Sidewalls destroyed. Doesn't give you any confidence in the brand.

I have Triangle brand tires on my 260RD. They seem to be okay.

Trying to find a better replacement tire is a pain.

 

[Scott'n'Wendy]

Mine have rolled along trouble free for 6 years.....

New boots for next year though

 

[Johnww]

I have run my Endurance tires for four years now without any problems. I'm planning on replacing these next spring but somewhat concerned with the number of posts reporting recent failures. I wonder if Good Year has changed something in the manufacturing process.

 

[jleonard]

I have approximately 20 k miles on my GYs. 2022 2600 rb. They still look good.

 

[Scott'n'Wendy]

I have run my Endurance tires for four years now without any problems. I'm planning on replacing these next spring but somewhat concerned with the number of posts reporting recent failures. I wonder if Good Year has changed something in the manufacturing process.

Ya..me too. Sailun experienced something similar or at least seems similar. Sailun had issues when they moved manufacturing to a different location.

 

[goducks14]

Put almost 19,000 on my GY Endurance. 235/80/16. I switched to Sailun S637. Way more robust tire. They're overkill for my TT's weight but IMO thats a good thing.

 

[Rugged Lilac]

Last time I have seen TT tires have that many issues with one trailer they were very old (Check MFG date on tire) and other thing I have seen was uneven axles. Check to see if your axles are square to the frame. My friend had one axle mounted 1 inch further forward on the left verses right. Very hard to notice but puts stress on tires.

 

[my12by60]

Maybe we just caught a bad batch. I did not check the dates, but the Endurance is Discount's most popular trailer tire. So they sell a lot of them and I doubt they found 4 old ones to put on our trailer. But I will look at the codes the next time I visit the storage yard.

I am glad to hear some of you have had good useful life from your Endurance tires. Maybe the new batch we have on there now will do better for us.

A few mentioned alignment issues. I don't think we have a problem there as the Discount guys scrutinize the wear patterns on tires before they honor a replacement claim under the warranty certificates. Neither Discount said anything about bad the tires wearing in an unusual pattern.

 

[Chaps2018]

I have posted here before about my experience with GYE. I went back and looked at my data and wanted to share with the group.

Our usage model:
-About 10k miles/yr (hence I keep thorough tire wear data)
-Cold tire pressure is set each morning of drive days
-TST507 TPMS
-Cruise at 68 mph

I have consumed 16 GYE tires in the last 6 years. All purchased at Discount Tire in various locations across the country. For purposes of this discussion, I removed the self-induced (ie, bent axle, brake lockup failure) and normal wear-out data points.

Something has definitely changed with GYE in the last 27 months or so. During that period, I have gone through 6 GYE tires that failed either through belt/tread separation or sidewall bulges. Those 6 tires averaged 9.1 months and 9.5k miles.

My observations:
After having repaired blowout damage a few times I realized the following--
1)Discount tire has NEVER acknowledged (examination of blow out carcass) that any of my tires were at fault. To their credit, typically there isn't enough evidence left to make a determination. This means I can't make a trailer repair claim with Good Year.
2)It is my best interest to find the defect before it blows. My data shows sidewall bulges (especially if they are in the same location inside and outside faces) and Tread/belt separation (abnormal wear when you run your hands around the tire tread area. You can feel problems from side-side and along the circumference).
3)abnormal wear (varying tread depth from inside-outside) is either an axle, bearing, inflation or too much weight...none of which are the tire's fault.

Finally, hindsight is 20/20. If you don't know how to inspect your tires I would encourage you to learn.

 

[my12by60]

I have posted here before about my experience with GYE. I went back and looked at my data and wanted to share with the group.

Our usage model:
-About 10k miles/yr (hence I keep thorough tire wear data)
-Cold tire pressure is set each morning of drive days
-TST507 TPMS
-Cruise at 68 mph

I have consumed 16 GYE tires in the last 6 years. All purchased at Discount Tire in various locations across the country. For purposes of this discussion, I removed the self-induced (ie, bent axle, brake lockup failure) and normal wear-out data points.

Something has definitely changed with GYE in the last 27 months or so. During that period, I have gone through 6 GYE tires that failed either through belt/tread separation or sidewall bulges. Those 6 tires averaged 9.1 months and 9.5k miles.

My observations:
After having repaired blowout damage a few times I realized the following--
1)Discount tire has NEVER acknowledged a tire was at fault after a blowout. Typically there isn't enough evidence left. This means I can't make a trailer repair claim with Good Year.
2)It is my best interest to find the defect before it blows. My data shows sidewall bulges (especially if they are in the same location inside and outside faces) and Tread/belt separation (abnormal wear when you run your hands around the tire tread area. You can feel problems from side-side and along the circumference).
3)abnormal wear (varying tread depth from inside-outside) is either an axle, bearing, inflation or too much weight...none of which are the tire's fault.

Finally, hindsight is 20/20. If you don't know how to inspect your tires I would encourage you to learn.

Those 6 failed tires you note in the past 27 months with an average of 9.5K miles line up with our experience. None of our failed tires had sidewall bulges. The problem was tread separation with each of our failures. And we too are fortunate that we pay attention to our tires. Because of that we had no blow-outs and no trailer damage.

 

[lorend]

We bought our 2017 29RS in August 2021 and changed out the OEM Westlake tires for GY Endurance through Discount Tire here in the AZ desert. Fortunately, we bought the Discount Tire warranty certificates. We take long trip each summer for about two months and usually tow the trailer between 3 and 5 thousand miles per trip. So we had about 10,000 towing miles on these tires to start our summer 2024 trip. We keep the tires under covers when the RV is in the storage lot. I drive like and old lady and usually set the cruise at 60mph. We have been weighed fully loaded at a CAT scale and are within weight limits.

On three separate towing segments this summer, we had a different tire begin to lose air due to tread separation. Luckily for us, we caught them all without having any blow-outs. A Discount Tire store in Carson City, NV replaced the first failure at no charge and also a second tire that was starting to separate, again at no charge. Later in the trip, a third tire began to lose air. That tire was replaced at Discount Tire in Jackson, CA for no charge. Based on the three failures, we agreed to pay half the cost to replace the final Endurance as a preemptive measure. So we ended the trip with four new Endurance tires, but a great loss of confidence in the quality and longevity of the tires.

We will hope to get three years from the new Endurance tires, but will be watching them closely. After this set is done for, we will be looking for a different option for 15-inch tires.

Glad you were able to catch all the problems before having blow-outs. You say you will be looking for a different option for the 15-inch tires. Our 2019 29RS came stock with ST 235/80R16 tires. Maybe just moving up to 16's would be a good improvement.

 

[Guamrider]

We just replaced the ones we purchased in 2020. 2 of the 4 were experiencing tread separation with both on the heavier side of our 28G. Caught them just before a long trip and replaced all 4. We expected to replace them in about a year based on years, not miles. The trailer is never at weight capacity as we don't haul toys or load it up beyond camping needs. Discount tire fully warrantied both and the Manager said he was shipping the 2 back to Goodyear for them to adjust for his stock.

 

[Bungy]

Glad you were able to catch all the problems before having blow-outs. You say you will be looking for a different option for the 15-inch tires. Our 2019 29RS came stock with ST 235/80R16 tires. Maybe just moving up to 16's would be a good improvement.

Moving up to 16" would require new rims, probably a little drastic for the situation

 

[my12by60]

Moving up to 16" would require new rims, probably a little drastic for the situation

Yes, a set of 5 new rims costs as much or more as a new set of tires. I am hoping that a good new 15" tire option hits the market between now and the time our latest set of Endurance tires needs replacing.

 

[lorend]

Moving up to 16" would require new rims, probably a little drastic for the situation

I was mainly just showing that Grand Design has moved up to a larger tire for the same rig. Maybe there was a reason for that change? Gives another option to think about. Just a quick look shows that, depending on the size of the 15 inch, the increase in size could change the load rating from D to E, and possibly the max load from 2150 per tire to 3420. I agree that it can be a big cost difference to change but from the descriptions on this forum, one blowout might run several thousand dollars of damage. That could make an upgrade look a bit better. It does sound like the problem was a batch of bad Goodyear Endurance tires. On this forum though, we do our best to help other people spend their money. lol

 

[my12by60]

Any and all comments are appreciated. The 15" Endurance is E-rated with a max load of 2470. So that spec is about right for our rig with its 5200lb axles. Our rig loaded weighed in at 10680 with 1800 of pin weight, leaving 8880 on the axles and tires. By dividing 8880 by four, we get 2220 per wheel, which is well within axle and tire spec.

I appreciate your efforts to spend my money in keeping with the rich tradition of this forum. I am just not sure if the 16" tire options are so much better than the 15" tire options. With our prior rig, we did upgrade the wheels from 16" to 17.5" after a blow-out from and OEM China-bomb damaged our rig's side. That was very worthwhile because 17.5" tires are commercial truck tires, which are a huge step up in durability and quality vs. the tires available in 16" size.

 

[lorend]

Any and all comments are appreciated. The 15" Endurance is E-rated with a max load of 2470. So that spec is about right for our rig with its 5200lb axles. Our rig loaded weighed in at 10680 with 1800 of pin weight, leaving 8880 on the axles and tires. By dividing 8880 by four, we get 2220 per wheel, which is well within axle and tire spec.

I appreciate your efforts to spend my money in keeping with the rich tradition of this forum. I am just not sure if the 16" tire options are so much better than the 15" tire options. With our prior rig, we did upgrade the wheels from 16" to 17.5" after a blow-out from and OEM China-bomb damaged our rig's side. That was very worthwhile because 17.5" tires are commercial truck tires, which are a huge step up in durability and quality vs. the tires available in 16" size.

Sorry to hear about the blow-out damage on your previous rig. Even just having the 16's like I do does not make the purchasing merry-go-round any easier. My current tires are 10 ply with a max load of 3417 at 80 psi which seems like a lot of tire for the weight of our rigs. And then I read of others that went to the Sailun 14 ply at 110 psi for similar weight rigs. Hopefully the set of Goodyear Endurance that you have will be trouble free and you can stay off the merry-go-round for a while.

 

[timkoenig]

I have recently experienced 2 Goodyear Endurance tire failures. They had about two years and 25,000 miles on them. Tread looked good but they came apart. Bought two more Goodyear Endurance with the trailer on jacks in an empty parking lot on a Sunday about 2 hours from home. So I guess need to replace two more same age and mileage tires, also need to replace the original Westlake spare, but with what? Is anyone running the Carlisle CSL 16 with the F rating? Or maybe the Carlisle Radial Trail HD with an E rating?

 

[my12by60]

I actually double-checked my Endurance tire specs. The max load is 2870, not 2470. So, yes, hopefully this set of Goodyears will age out vs. fail like the first set.