Am I getting enough of a truck?

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Kenneth Kovas

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I have a 2023 Solitude 380FLR. GD states that the king pin weight is 3052. I am in the process of purchasing a new RAM 3500 Limited with the Turbo Diesel and the Aisin transmission. The unit I am looking at is a SRW. I know that a dually would be the best choice but I would really rather not have dually. Also, since I live in Northern Illinois, a state which regularly get a fair amount of snow and I have heard from many sources that duallys don't do well in the snow. My question is will this truck be able to safely pull my Solitude?
 
I have a 2023 Solitude 380FLR. GD states that the king pin weight is 3052. I am in the process of purchasing a new RAM 3500 Limited with the Turbo Diesel and the Aisin transmission. The unit I am looking at is a SRW. I know that a dually would be the best choice but I would really rather not have dually. Also, since I live in Northern Illinois, a state which regularly get a fair amount of snow and I have heard from many sources that duallys don't do well in the snow. My question is will this truck be able to safely pull my Solitude?

I am pulling a Solitude 378MBS with a Ram 3500 SRW HO with Aisin and it does very well. I have the Big Horn model and short box with a payload of 3806 lbs. I am at or close to my payload. A limited will have less payload because of more options and your factory tongue weight is higher than mine of 2686 lbs. If you are getting a long box you will get 500 lbs more payload of which 300 lbs is usable because the truck is 200 lbs heavier. Almost all of my storage is in front of the axle whereas your 380FLR is behind the axle so will affect your hitch weight less and maybe even take a bit off. Just remember that this is a factory average weight without battery, propane, generator, basically base empty. My 378 dry from the factory came in at almost 2960 lbs dry so yours will likely be heavier. Your length is basically the same as mine.

I use a Curt Cross Wing hitch as well because it is only 70 - 100 lbs which helps with my payload and would not recommend going with a standard hitch which will be at least 260 lbs. If you use the Curt Crosswing, Andersen or the Pullrite lighter weight hitches you will need to change the skidplate on the Morryde hitch to the heavy duty RPB77-006 from what comes from the factory.

Sorry for the long winded response but you need to know what you are getting into because it can be done safely but you need to be carefull about loading the trailer and pin weight, get the lightest hitch you can and are comfortable with and likely be OK to be up to 300 lbs overweight if you take more stuff with you or put things in your truck. I also have Timbrens on mine to help keep the truck level.

The HO 6.7 with Aisin will tow it no problem.

Any questions please ask.

Rob
 
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I have a 2023 Solitude 380FLR. GD states that the king pin weight is 3052. I am in the process of purchasing a new RAM 3500 Limited with the Turbo Diesel and the Aisin transmission. The unit I am looking at is a SRW. I know that a dually would be the best choice but I would really rather not have dually. Also, since I live in Northern Illinois, a state which regularly get a fair amount of snow and I have heard from many sources that duallys don't do well in the snow. My question is will this truck be able to safely pull my Solitude?

First off, welcome to the forum, it looks like that is your first post. So, there's obviously not enough information in your post to say yes or no, but I'll try to bring out some things that will help you to come to a conclusion about this.

Starting with the trailer...it has a GVWR of 18,000 lbs, and the published pin weight of 3052 is for an unloaded trailer, as it came off of the assembly line. It may actually weigh a little more than that, depending maybe on what, if any, options that it has. 5th Wheel camping trailers will normally put down AT LEAST 20% of their weight as pin weight, but many times, that percentage is higher. Think 21...22...23 percent of what the trailer weighs. So the pin weight will do nothing but go up from the 3052 number after it arrives at the dealer (they will add propane to the tanks and a battery or two). Then, after you purchase it you will obviously be loading "stuff" into it for your camping adventures. All of that added Stuff will contribute to the weight of the camper going up and up. So with a GVWR of 18,000 lbs, and calculated at 20%, your pin weight is now at 3600 lbs. Let's use the 23% number that I mentioned above and then calculate that...18,000 lbs x 23% = 4140 lbs. So you can see, that there is a pretty wide range of pin weight "could be" numbers. Only you will know how much stuff you are going to load into it...AND...where it gets loaded/placed in the trailer. More weight in the front = heavier pin weight. More weight in the rear = less pin weight.

Now the truck question part of the answer. The truck that you are looking at or buying will have a sticker on the driver side door post or maybe on the edge of the driver's door that will clearly state what the payload or Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC) is for that particular truck. That Payload number should never be exceeded, and if it is, the GVWR of the truck will automatically be overload too. So the thing you need to do is to make sure that any truck you buy will have enough Payload capacity for all the possible scenarios that you will encounter with the Solitude 380 you have. Part of the problem is, that unless you have previously weighed the trailer, loaded up and ready to camp, you will not know exactly how much pin weight it is actually putting down on the truck. So, what many folks do, and I agree, is to buy a truck for the "worst case" scenario. And what that means is that you get a truck that has enough payload capacity for a fully loaded trailer (in your case 18,000 lbs GVWR) and using the 22 or 23% factor for calculation of the possible pin weight.

And here is a bit more to think about....regarding the loading of the truck. Remember, Anything and Everything that goes IN/ON the truck will take away from the payload number that you see on the sticker. In other words, the weight of the 5ver hitch, a toolbox in the bed of the truck with tools, etc in it. Firewood that you carry for camping, an aux. fuel tank maybe, passengers you bring along......anything and everything.

So now that you see that the trailer could be putting down a pin weight in the upper 3000 range to right at possibly 4000 lbs, what is the payload capacity of the SRW truck you are looking to buy. In my opinion, you are a pretty good candidate for a Dually, especially since you are talking about a "Limited" version of the RAM truck. That one will be loaded with options/equipment, and the more stuff that is on it, the lower the payload will be, when compared to a moderately equipped truck of the same brand/engine etc. It all comes down to the payload numbers of the truck basically, and what the pin weight of the trailer can/will be if loaded up to, or near to the GVWR of the trailer.
 
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I have a 2023 Solitude 380FLR. GD states that the king pin weight is 3052. I am in the process of purchasing a new RAM 3500 Limited with the Turbo Diesel and the Aisin transmission. The unit I am looking at is a SRW. I know that a dually would be the best choice but I would really rather not have dually. Also, since I live in Northern Illinois, a state which regularly get a fair amount of snow and I have heard from many sources that duallys don't do well in the snow. My question is will this truck be able to safely pull my Solitude?
How do you measure safely? You already know that a dually would be the best choice. IOW, it will be safer. My advice.... Set yourself up for a worst case scenario. When it occurs, you will have to deal with it with the truck you have. There will be no second chance.
 
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You are correct that dually are horrible in the snow. I know of several F350 dually owners that cursed them come winter. I'm sure the dodge would be the same. One friend of mine got rid of his 350 dually strictly because of it's snow manners.
I would stick with SRW, it will be safer in winter, but probably pass on the Limited. Think SLT. Then see if payload numbers work. Or if you have the luxury of leaving the truck in the driveway whenever it snows...get a dually.
 
You are correct that dually are horrible in the snow. I know of several F350 dually owners that cursed them come winter. I'm sure the dodge would be the same. One friend of mine got rid of his 350 dually strictly because of it's snow manners.
I would stick with SRW, it will be safer in winter, but probably pass on the Limited. Think SLT. Then see if payload numbers work. Or if you have the luxury of leaving the truck in the driveway whenever it snows...get a dually.
Another option is to remove a couple of tires for the winter. I have seen this done a lot..It looks goofy but it works
 
... Or if you have the luxury of leaving the truck in the driveway whenever it snows...get a dually.

In addition to what [MENTION=21739]xrated[/MENTION] said, this is some of the best advice in this thread. I would not tow that rig with a SRW truck - but I'm picky that way. Our dually is RWD only, but we have an AWD car, are retired, and don't have to drive the truck on ice or snow. Err on the side of safety...

Rob
 
You are correct that dually are horrible in the snow. I know of several F350 dually owners that cursed them come winter. I'm sure the dodge would be the same. One friend of mine got rid of his 350 dually strictly because of it's snow manners.
I would stick with SRW, it will be safer in winter, but probably pass on the Limited. Think SLT. Then see if payload numbers work. Or if you have the luxury of leaving the truck in the driveway whenever it snows...get a dually.

Just put weight in the back of it during the snowy winters.
 
I am not too concerned about my RAM CTD. If it really is a problem they will have to fix it. The Ford CP4 pump would have me more concerned.

Rob

Ford, General Motors, Chevrolet, and Dodge, as well as diesel versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee and some General Motors vans, have engines built with CP4 pumps...

Rob
 
One solution for the snow problem is to go where there is no snow. <grin>
 
I have a 2023 Solitude 380FLR. GD states that the king pin weight is 3052. I am in the process of purchasing a new RAM 3500 Limited with the Turbo Diesel and the Aisin transmission. The unit I am looking at is a SRW. I know that a dually would be the best choice but I would really rather not have dually. Also, since I live in Northern Illinois, a state which regularly get a fair amount of snow and I have heard from many sources that duallys don't do well in the snow. My question is will this truck be able to safely pull my Solitude?

We have a 380FL-R with 18K axles. On our most recent trip, the pin weight was 3,550#, with no water in any tanks. With a slider hitch, 2 people, some tools, a couple of boxes of DEF, some clothes, camera gear, a couple of 5 gallon diesel cans, etc., our payload on the Limited DRW 3500 was 4,287#. If you ever carry fresh water you will add significant weight to the pin, with no weight in the yet empty holding tanks behind the axles.

Yes, you might be able to manage the loading to stay below payload, but payload, in my opinion, is one of the less important reasons to get a DRW truck. This is a BIG trailer. I am still amazed when I am walking out of the rest room at the rest area, back to the truck, at how small the truck looks in comparison to the trailer. I still think, “man, how can this be safe”? To me safety is the biggest issue. The wider stance of a DRW truck is the biggest benefit when pulling a big trailer. The rollover or “sway rock” point is further out. The second safety benefit is the second wheel in the event of a blowout or flat. I can’t imaging losing a rear tire on a SRW truck going down a mountain pass at 60 MPH, holding back an 18,000# trailer. Also, having two wheels carrying the load on each rear side instead of one makes the risk of that blowout much lower.

I’ve learned after a long life of adventure that split second events can have impacts lasting months, years, or even for life. I try to reduce the likelihood of those negative split second events as much as reasonably possible without negatively impacting the adventure. The DRW does that in this case.

We use the DRW as our daily driver when traveling. We’ve found it to not be an issue, not even once. If the truck was my only option for a daily driver, without the trailer, in a winter climate, I would just drop the outside wheel on each side.
 
Ford, General Motors, Chevrolet, and Dodge, as well as diesel versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee and some General Motors vans, have engines built with CP4 pumps...

Rob

In 2021 Ram moved away from the CP4 and went back to the CP3. They are replacing the CP4's at their cost. Ram only had the CP4 in 2021 & 2020 in the 2500 and 3500 lines. We did get a CP4 in our Ram 2021 1500 Eco diesel but they are changing those out too under warranty.
 
Ford, General Motors, Chevrolet, and Dodge, as well as diesel versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee and some General Motors vans, have engines built with CP4 pumps...

Rob

Yes Ram has the CP4 in the 2019 - 2020,21 and in the Ecodiesels but are changing them to the modified CP3 that I have in my 2022 Ram. One less thing to worry about when travelling.

Aonther Rob
 
In 2021 Ram moved away from the CP4 and went back to the CP3. They are replacing the CP4's at their cost. Ram only had the CP4 in 2021 & 2020 in the 2500 and 3500 lines. We did get a CP4 in our Ram 2021 1500 Eco diesel but they are changing those out too under warranty.

I will hand it to RAM.. They are treating their customers right in fixing this known issue

The only diesel HD truck that still uses the CP4 is Ford.
That fact amazes me. It was the reason I do not own a F450 now
 
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I have a 2023 Solitude 380FLR. GD states that the king pin weight is 3052. I am in the process of purchasing a new RAM 3500 Limited with the Turbo Diesel and the Aisin transmission. The unit I am looking at is a SRW. I know that a dually would be the best choice but I would really rather not have dually. Also, since I live in Northern Illinois, a state which regularly get a fair amount of snow and I have heard from many sources that duallys don't do well in the snow. My question is will this truck be able to safely pull my Solitude?

I have the Limited truck that you are thinking of purchasing (mine is '21) and in my opinion you will not be able to safely pull your Solitude. We pull a 2930 S-Class Solitude and while its a perfect combination for us, I would not want to pull any more with it. I'm within all weights, specs, etc, but anything more would be outside the truck's GVWR. I also use a lightweight Andersen hitch. We pull from MN to Florida once a year along with some other shorter trips.

As others have mentioned, the truck you're purchasing will pull the trailer no problem - its not a power issue, its handling and safety in my opinion. As someone else mentioned, a long box has more GVWR and you might look at that. I'm in MN and my big thing with a dually is more day to day usage and not being able to go through car washes, drive-through's etc. It also would not fit in my garage. If I were to look closer at a dually, I might look at RAM's Megacab short box dually - but that's just me.

New trucks are a lot of $$. Don't sell yourself short out of the gate by purchasing something that's borderline towing your rig.
 
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