Beware of the Tail Swing!

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As the title says, BEWARE of the tail swing in tight places!

Audrey and I spent the weekend at a Thousand Trails campground in Palm Desert CA. The campground was very tight with palm trees in the worst locations imaginable. The campground itself was okay, nothing special, but it is NOT big rig friendly. Had we known this we would have never booked a spot there. I pride myself on my ability to maneuver the 5'er in seemingly tight quarters but even I had a heck of a time getting in to the space. On a side rant, Thousand Trails (we got a 1 year free membership when we bought the 5th wheel) campgrounds are first come first served. You cannot reserve a specific spot. There were many small campers and camper vans set up in huge pull-thru's. People, leave those for people who need them... Anyway, as we were leaving, I was trying to make a right hand turn to exit the campground. I positioned myself as far left as I thought I needed to be, pulled forward as far as I could, and started my turn. I was so close to the tree on my left, I has to back up a little, cutting my wheels to the left to keep the trailer positioned. As you can see from the tire marks in the pics below, I still darn near hit the tree on my right. As we pulled forward, a fellow camper started flagging us down. Yep! My tail swing hit a parked car on my left.

Of course, we were very apologetic and gave them my insurance information. We also filed an insurance claim as soon as we arrived home and forwarded this on the the other party. He was very understanding, although a bit upset (who could blame him). He told my wife that this happens often in this park because it is so tight. What really scared me was the fact that I didn't hear or feel the impact. Had the other camper not stopped us I would have never known I hit somebody. If I do something to damage your property, I want to make it right. This could have easily been an unintentional Hit and Run! That scares the bejesus out of me!

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If you look closely at this pic, you can see how close my tires were to the tree on the right. Also, look on the ground in front of the tree on the left and you'll see marks where I turned my wheels from hard right to hard left to back up a bit.

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You can see how close I was to his car when I started my turn. I should have paid more attention to how far left I was, but at the time, I was more concerned about the trees.

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The damage to his car is significant, unfortunately.

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Very minor damage to the left rear corner of my Momentum.

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Just another pic to show the perspective.

Lesson learned, when in such tight areas, have someone walk me out and keep an eye on clearances.

John
 
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Great write up and pics. I'm still a newbie at this towing stuff and am also afraid of tail swing. This is a good lesson/reminder for us to use spotters in tight places.
I'm sorry for your accident, but am grateful that you shared it with us. Thanks
 
Can happen to anyone. I have been in this situation a few times in our many years full time. Fortunately the occasional things I've bumped or grazed weren't owned by anyone and didn't cause any damage but the potential is there for sure and every single one of us can have this happen.

I try and take every inch the road gives me because of how long we are and the back end lagging towards the turn. Our owned lot is in a very tight park. I'm kind of grateful I got broken in moving in and out over here. It was a PIA to get used to but it has helped build my comfort up now that i'm used to it.

Fortunately it was minor damage. Now I'm going to go knock on some wood and hope I don't ding anything on our next trip.
 
Been there, while coming into a truck stop in Denver a fellow in a TT was blocking the in side of an RV gas island, I tried to thread my way past him and get into the gas island without hitting anything, didn't work. I had a MC rack on the back of my 5th wheel, it caught the guys TT, another 3 inches and I would have cleared, but I didn't. The guy was totally cool about it, he knew he was parking in the incorrect spot, his wife, not so much. Doesn't matter, I hit their trailer with mine. We exchanged information, he was quite apologetic about blocking the incoming fuel lane, I was apologetic about clipping his trailer. Insurance fixed his trailer.

Events occur.

You do need to look out for tail swing.
 
I'm just curious, even if you had a spotter, would there have been a way to approach that turn any differently?
 
Had a similar thing happen several years ago down at a private campground near Fulton, Texas. We were towing a 27 foot Salem with our 2500HD with long bed and crew cab. At some point, I needed to back up. I put it in R and started back and never felt anything but the truck wasn't moving. So I pressed the accelerator a little harder. Still no go. I looked over at my wife. "Your are never going to go any further back while that truck is back there."
Seems I had backed into the bed of another camper. No damage to camper. The other camper was nice about it - "just my company truck, no big deal." I gave him my insurance and notified my agent when I got back to Kerrville.
 
Thanks for the reminder John.

Whenever we enter or leave tight roads/RV parks I have my wife watch tail swing anywhere it's going to be close and most times she laughs at me cuz there is "plenty" of room. Once in a while "that was close" … thanks Babe.
 
Quite often it can be other campers that park to close to the road or have items there that will make it difficult to get by. Most campers are pretty friendly and willing to help. Patience is your friend. Don't be a in too big of a hurry and try to make it. If you take the time to ask most people would be glad to move something if it's in your way for getting in or out.
 
We learned the Tail-Swing lesson the first time out with our 376. Had been towing triple axle boat trailer for years, but the rear overhang on the boat wasn't like the 376......so over confidence raised it's head and bit me ......you know where.

This weekend however we put our 376 into a spot that even after I'd done it I thought what the he** was I thinking.

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As some of you may know, I just bought a new Momentum 394 a couple of weeks ago....first time towing a trailer that large and fifth wheel on top of that. I had been worried sick the entire week before we picked it up because of the entrance to my house. Country road pretty narrow, 7 mailboxes on the side of the road where the rear end would swing towards as I made my left turn, and 4 water main boxes on the inside of the turn. And, on top of all that to deal with for a first time 5ver driver. :pound: my turn from the hard road into our gravel road not only dropped off about 3-4", but downhill also! Talk about sweating bullets...I was pretty nervous to say the least. So, my neighbor, who also has a camping trailer told me to call him when we were about 10 minutes or so from getting home and he would come up and put another set of eyes on the turn in for me. I had my wife Peggy watch the trailer swing by the mailboxes, Rick watched the bed rail clearance on my truck, and I watched both the front of my truck so that I didn't put it over the sloping down hill and off the side of the road...and I also watched the left trailer tires to make sure I wasn't going to run over the water meter main boxes. Very slow movements, stop and get out and look, move a little more and check with Peggy and Rick. We actually made it in with about 6' clearance from the mailboxes, the bed rails had 3 1/2 - 4", and I kept at least 3 - 4' away from the water meter stuff. Whew....all that worry for naught!

I did have an alternate plan though, if my turn would have been too tight....I could have always driven in from the hard road and across my from yard, but that was more of an emergency plan.
 
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I'm just curious, even if you had a spotter, would there have been a way to approach that turn any differently?

I had the same thought. I was thinking pull through the intersection going straight then back onto the perpendicular road. But you still have the white Jeep Cherokee by the motorhome. It would make it tight on the front of the truck. If you crossed through the intersection keeping tight to the left and then angled to the right you might make it.

Sorry for your troubles John.

Red
 
I'm impressed calnca!! Both of those trees lean in towards the trailer are bad enough but that truck is wedged in so tight you need a chainsaw to get it out lol!! Nice job. :D
 
^^^^^^

Thanks......was a challenge....especially with the F350 DRW with 176" wheel base......the TW doesn't turn very quick/sharp
 
I'm just curious, even if you had a spotter, would there have been a way to approach that turn any differently?

I've thought about that. Obviously the easiest thing would have been to ask the other party to simply move the Jeep. Then there would not have been an issue (or accident). Having said that, what if the Jeep was an immovable object like a tree? While I was very close to the tree on the right, there may have been enough room to reposition the trailer to split the difference between the (car) and the tree. I really only needed a couple of inches. Otherwise, if it was just too tight, I would have had to back out of the turn and scout out an alternative route (on foot if necessary).

I've been driving heavy duty vehicles pulling all sorts of trailers since my military days, and have had a class A CDL for decades. I believe there are always alternatives. Some may not be fun or it may take an eternity to get situated, but if you got in there, you can get back out. That may even mean backing out the way you came in...

John
 

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