Considering trading in my Ram 2500 CTD for Ford f250 Diesel

In the original post I see the word "issues" used at least a couple of times, but do not see "problems"; of the two, I prefer a vehicle to have various issues but not to have problems.

I had a 2017 Ram 2500 (Laramie w/ CTD) which had a couple of problems, but the dealership was excellent, accommodating my needs and fixing those things promptly and correctly. There were a few recall items that were also addressed easily, quickly, and correctly. All things considered, I believe that truck was very good and served our needs quite well. Incidentally, I ignored Faecesbook and the like when considering that purchase.

Six years and ~60,000 miles later, I had the truck in their shop for drive line fluid changes... left it there while we went for lunch 40 miles away. As we were leaving, the sales rep told me that (per our previous conversations) he may have what I would be interested in, but had to get it from their other dealership down the road. Upon our return after lunch, the truck was there... a new 2022 Laramie 3500 with the same drive train and some extras. We drove it for a while and then sat down to talk numbers. Again, I ignored Faecesbook as most of what was recommended there was "delete", "weight loss", "Jenny Craig", etc.

Within a couple of hours, we had a deal, so things were set in motion for us to take delivery a week later. Despite the plethora of negative comments from some who believe their post counts matter and others who think that "DEF" and "DPF" are the same thing, our 2022 has been as close to perfection as it gets. Granted, it needed the grid heater relay recall, but they did that as we were signing the paperwork (this place must have some "juice" because they had no problem obtaining the part. A few months later, the Y43 recall came up, in which they installed a DPF sensor that had previously been unavailable. No change in the running of the truck, except now I can see how full the DPF is (yeah, I'm a geek ;) ). Incidentally, I had been watching Ford and GM before buying the 2017 and 2022, but was drawn back to the Ram... much of it because the dealership has been exceptional. A lot of folks drive Rams, a lot drive GM, and a lot drive Ford, all for their own reasons.

As for the 67A recall on the 4th generation trucks, it will likely change nothing, but rather is a compliance action to satisfy the EPA. Ignore the horror stories of social media.
 
+ 1 on the concerns over the CP4 fuel pump Ford is still using. I have a 2020 Ram 3500 dually with the H.O. CTD with almost 38k miles on it, 15k of that is pulling my 397TH at gross weight. I love the truck. Has it been flawless, NO, but nothing major other than the CP4 recall. They are all great trucks, regardless of brand, and all will have their own set of strengths/weaknesses and unique issues. I say they are like ice cream, pick the flavor you like and enjoy it! For me now, it's a hard NO on anything with a CP4. (and I really like the F450's) I'm not particularly brand loyal, I did have a bad experience with the 6.0L in my 2005 F350 but it wouldn't stop me from buying a Ford (the CP4 does). When I was shopping in mid-2020 I would have taken whatever I could find. I found the RAM 1st so that is what I went with!
 
Love my F350 SRW Platinum. I believe that the comfort and features are unsurpassed. The ride is better than my wife's SUV. Pulls a 310GTK like a dream.
 
Like the title says I am considering trading in my 2018 Ram 2500 CTD Laramie for a 2023 Ford F250 Diesel Lariat and I like hear your opinions.

My Ram only has about 32K miles on it and lets just say that it has been less than reliable. We purchased it in February 2019 and had no issues with it that first year. However in the three subsequent years (20, 21 and 22) we virtually had an issue with the truck on every trip we took during that time. Typically we take 5 or 6 trips a rear. We spent a lot of time on those trips either sitting at a Ram dealership or looking for one. By last year (2023) we seemed to have gotten all the kinks out of the truck and we didn't have any issues, until that is when the Cummins scandal hit. It was announced right before last Christmas and I got my recall notice (67A) the very next day we had mail delivery. Ever since I've been trying to get a straight answer from Ram about what this recall is going to do to my truck. I've phoned the dealer and Ram corporate and got no answer. I also emailed Ram customer service several times with direct questions and did not get a single response. Ram's silence is very telling. Needless to say, I'm not happy with Ram, but my 2500 is paid for.

Unfortunately, I have no real experience with Ford and I wouldn't mind hearing from other Ford F250 owners how they like or don't like their trucks.

Thanks

Bob

Bob, you do you. I'm a Ram guy. We have Ford SD at work, and I'm not a fan. 2004 2500 Diesel sold in 2021, and never had anything more than bolt on maintenance, etc (water pump, belts) after 225,000 miles. Bought a 2021 3500 DRW, and at 34,000 miles now, no issues.

I watched a video a while back that was great for showing tow vehicles and the weight range for them. this guy left out the 2500 diesel. He said if a 2500 gasser won't do it, step right to the 3500. After driving my 2500 diesel for 17 years, I would agree. My trailers maxed out my 2500. The little bit of cost difference makes a big increase in what you can tow.

I went to a 3500 DRW Diesel, as I want this to be my last truck, and want to pull anything I may end up with down the road, and it's my daily driver.

Good luck with your search.
 
Ford vs Ram

Like the title says I am considering trading in my 2018 Ram 2500 CTD Laramie for a 2023 Ford F250 Diesel Lariat and I like hear your opinions.

My Ram only has about 32K miles on it and lets just say that it has been less than reliable. We purchased it in February 2019 and had no issues with it that first year. However in the three subsequent years (20, 21 and 22) we virtually had an issue with the truck on every trip we took during that time. Typically we take 5 or 6 trips a rear. We spent a lot of time on those trips either sitting at a Ram dealership or looking for one. By last year (2023) we seemed to have gotten all the kinks out of the truck and we didn't have any issues, until that is when the Cummins scandal hit. It was announced right before last Christmas and I got my recall notice (67A) the very next day we had mail delivery. Ever since I've been trying to get a straight answer from Ram about what this recall is going to do to my truck. I've phoned the dealer and Ram corporate and got no answer. I also emailed Ram customer service several times with direct questions and did not get a single response. Ram's silence is very telling. Needless to say, I'm not happy with Ram, but my 2500 is paid for.

Unfortunately, I have no real experience with Ford and I wouldn't mind hearing from other Ford F250 owners how they like or don't like their trucks.

Thanks

Bob

Hi Bob, I have driven Ram and Chev. For me personally my 2020 Ford 250 diesel, king ranch has been optimal. I have had zero issues with my Ford. It is definitely quieter in my opinion than the other makes. Good luck and safe travels.
 
I have had two Ram 2500's a 2015 which did great until about 103K then the turbo went out. I recently traded it in on a a 2018 Ram 2500 with 40K miles and it appears to be in really good condition. I stuck with Ram because of the towing ability and reliability. I am a fan, that's not to say the Ford wouldn't be a good choice, I just stuck with what I was familiar with. Either way there will be a learning curve. Good Luck!
 
I have a 2018 CTD 3500 SRW, and I'm also not to keen on letting them do the latest recall on the emission system. I have not asked my local dealer what it does, but my emission system seems fine - and I've had zero problems with it with the exception of the ABS module going bad - twice, but repaired both times under warranty.

I'm also in on the opinion of going with the 350/3500 version of any truck. Payload on diesel 250/2500 series trucks is dismal - especially with leather trim packages. Good luck!
 
We have a 2017 F350. LWB, 6.7 diesel. A beast when pulling. My buddy pulling a similar with gas struggles. The LWB makes backing a challenge sometimes but I have never found a spot I couldn’t get into. Just get in and go!
 
I apologize, but to me there is little or no difference between an "issue" and a "problem", I use terms interchangeably. First, I don't believe that our experience with our Ram is very typical. Unfortunately, I think we bought a one of "those" trucks. I don't know maybe it was built on a Monday, but this truck has been in the repair shop more than all of my other trucks (92 Dakoda, 1999 F150, 2006 Tundra) combined. The second and third years that we owned it we had a "problem" on every single trip we took with the RV. Too much of the time on those trips was spent at various RAM dealers across the north east waiting for service. Having said that, we haven't had any issues with it over the past year, so maybe we got the kinks out. I just don't know.

As for Recall 67A, I'm reading on the web from those who've had it done to expect 3-4 mpg less in fuel economy due to increased regens and some additional DEF usage. Unfortunately, I don't know how factual those numbers are. What irks me is that I'm sure that RAM does know exactly how the recall will affect our trucks, but sadly they remain silent. Assuming the mpg losses are correct, in my opinion, that wouldn't be enough of a reason to replace my truck. Unfortunately, I just don't have any real faith that its going to get us where we want to go and frankly I'm tired of sitting in Ram dealerships waiting for service when I should be out fishing.

As for the nice 2023 F250 that we found locally.... well that ship has sailed. The dealer gave me what I thought was a low-ish offer ($40K) for my 2018 RAM 2500 Laramie (with only 32K miles on it) and the coup de grâce was his asking for full sticker price ($84K) for the left over 2023 f250. So for the time being I'll just keep looking.

Lastly I really do appreciate all of your responses.
 
A 3 - 4 mpg loss would be a game changer for me since the F350 and GM trucks seem to get better mileage already with the 10 speed transmissions. My problem is I don't want the CP4 ticking time bomb that is in the F350 and Ford's reluctance to cover under warranty and I drove the GM twins before I bought the RAM 3500 and didn't like the way they drove. Not sure where that is going to leave me. May need to think about the F350 and factor in the disaster kits that are available for the CP$ timebomb.

Rob
 
That's why you stay away from Ford unless you just really, really love them. Their engine has a random self destruct sequence.

A few years back I traded a 2016 Duramax for a 2019 just to escape the CP4. Never had an issue and maybe I gave into internet hysteria, but I felt better not having that in my truck.
 
The way i read it, the trucks built in 2019 and newer are not involved.

They are involved, just not recalled. Anything built post 1 October 2019 thru 2023 Cummins is being fined for, but the trucks are not recalled. Cummins corrected the PCM tune on those later trucks but did not inform the EPA that they did so and are being fined for not informing the EPA. Just more tax revenue at the expense of Cummins.
 
Glad I am not the only one with the F-350 turning radius. Have 2021 SB SRW crewcut and it doesn’t turn as tight as my 95 LB crewcut dually.
 
I have a 2017 F350 Lariat CCSB 4x4 with the 6.7L Power Stroke. It has pulled our 36’ 5th wheel for 22,000 miles with no problems. The truck has been awesome.

As others stated, go for the 350 instead of 250.
 
They are involved, just not recalled. Anything built post 1 October 2019 thru 2023 Cummins is being fined for, but the trucks are not recalled. Cummins corrected the PCM tune on those later trucks but did not inform the EPA that they did so and are being fined for not informing the EPA. Just more tax revenue at the expense of Cummins.

I hope that is true because I love my 2022 Ram 3500 but would be hard pressed to take a big mileage hit or performance hit for the recall.

Rob
 
That's why you stay away from Ford unless you just really, really love them. Their engine has a random self destruct sequence.

That was one reason I traded my 2019 Ram 3500. I didn't realize that it had the CP4 when I first bought it and then when Ram changed back to the updated CP3 type and I got a fantastic tradein value on the 2019 I couldn't resist.

Rob
 
Your experience sounds a lot like mine. My ‘17 Ram 2500ctd has been less than reliable and costly to maintain. On average every 6 months something goes wrong. Each time is a $1200 fix. The latest is my interior drivers door armrest. The armrest is pulling away away from the panel. They use plastic melt rivets to hold a door pull on and the only fix is to replace the whole panel for $2k as it is one piece. I removed the panel, drilled the rivets and glued and screwed it back tight from behind.

I keep looking to trade it in but it’s paid for and the price of new trucks is ridiculous. I’d be $50k+ out of pocket to downsize to a new half ton. Doesn’t make sense.
 

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