Ford 2021 F350 CCC issue

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I am ordering a 2021 F350 crewcab 6.7 4X4 DRW 8' bed 176"WB, On the ford towing documentation it says I have to add the Camper package to get 4967 lb ccc. The issue is the Camper package adds a spring in front making it ride like a brick when not towing. Also I have looked at the exact same model without the camper package and the ccc is 5300+lb. Has any one had this issue before? Seems like the dealer would be able to talk to the factory to get the true CCC of the ordered truck?
 
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That seems kinda odd to me.

Are you SURE everything is exactly the same between the "add camper package" version and the one with presumably 5300 LB payload? Exact same engine, exact same options, etc...?

Does adding the camper package actually decrease payload? Real headscratcher to me.

Mike
 
I am ordering a 2021 F350 crewcab 6.7 4X4 DRW 8' bed 176"WB, On the ford towing documentation it says I have to add the Camper package to get 4967 lb ccc. The issue is the Camper package adds a spring in front making it ride like a brick when not towing. Also I have looked at the exact same model without the camper package and the ccc is 5300+lb. Has any one had this issue before? Seems like the dealer would be able to talk to the factory to get the true CCC of the ordered truck?

Something isn't correct with those numbers. I've got a 2016 F350 King Ranch Dually, 4x4, 8' bed (they don't make the Dually in a shorter bed) and my payload is 5270 lb. I'd go back and recheck the numbers. Depending on how the truck is equipped....and the model....Platinum, king ranch, Lariat, etc....you should be at least as much as mine, probably more.
 
Back when I bought my previous truck, a F-350, I recall the camper package was meant for those wanting to carry a truck camper and they didn't recommend it for towing a camper. Fuzzy memory but thought I'd mention it just in case -- it may be a big non-issue for you.
 
I am ordering a 2021 F350 crewcab 6.7 4X4 DRW 8' bed 176"WB, On the ford towing documentation it says I have to add the Camper package to get 4967 lb ccc. The issue is the Camper package adds a spring in front making it ride like a brick when not towing. Also I have looked at the exact same model without the camper package and the ccc is 5300+lb. Has any one had this issue before? Seems like the dealer would be able to talk to the factory to get the true CCC of the ordered truck?

I don't think that is correct. Here is my 2021 (built in January) with the 3.55 axle (don't know what axle you were ordering.)
Here is my payload sticker
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This is my build sheet
(hope this comes thru clearly on this forum. Has the snowplow/camper prep pkg)
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My understanding from the dealer and others is that dually's are difficult to find. Just because you order one does not necessarily mean you will get one (in a timely manner). The one I got was ordered by someone who ran into difficulty and could not pick it up. It showed up on AutoTrader in the morning and I was able to get the dealer to pull it for me minutes after it was posted. I think it drives fantastic. My buddy has a Ram dually and his rides great as well.:D
 
I am ordering a 2021 F350 crewcab 6.7 4X4 DRW 8' bed 176"WB, On the ford towing documentation it says I have to add the Camper package to get 4967 lb ccc. The issue is the Camper package adds a spring in front making it ride like a brick when not towing. Also I have looked at the exact same model without the camper package and the ccc is 5300+lb. Has any one had this issue before? Seems like the dealer would be able to talk to the factory to get the true CCC of the ordered truck?
Get a F-450, problem solved, and you'll love the turning radius.

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I am ordering a 2021 F350 crewcab 6.7 4X4 DRW 8' bed 176"WB, On the ford towing documentation it says I have to add the Camper package to get 4967 lb ccc. The issue is the Camper package adds a spring in front making it ride like a brick when not towing. Also I have looked at the exact same model without the camper package and the ccc is 5300+lb. Has any one had this issue before? Seems like the dealer would be able to talk to the factory to get the true CCC of the ordered truck?
Adding the camper package on a 350 DRW does not touch rear springs. It will add weight reducing payload.

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6,288lbs carrying capacity when equipped

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No doubt you can get the payload up there on the 450, but I think you can get the 350 higher at max. I've never seen either in the wild at the "maximum towing" like advertised but have seen the more common configurations. 450 is lower payload vs it's equal 350 in every case I've seen.

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Thanks for all the replies,
Walaby, yes, I had the dealer match the window sticker and pull the vin's, I went through the packages to make sure they were the same. and YEs, thats what it looks like on the https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/...-guides/2021_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide.pdf shows it does when the camper package is added" 4x4 Crew Cab 176.0" 14,000 14,000 14,000 5,708/4,708 5,712/4,712 4,967/3,967.

WeirdAL, I agree with you but their documentation states otherwise.., this is the point I was making. Even the ford rep cant tell me what the CCC is on the truck I have on order.

A.Texas.Yankee Agreed, It's the front springs it add 1 level to..

m.j.email The dealer mentioned something about commercial use and taxes on the 450 when we looked at it? don't remember exactly..
 
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There is quite a bit of confusion surrounding payload. Many ask about adding particular options to increase payload capacity. Payload is not a rating, it is the result of a mathematical calculation. The number on the payload sticker is derived from taking the GVWR (a static number assigned by the manufacturer, often having more to do with marketing than capability) and subtracting the actual weight of that specific truck as it rolled off the assembly line. So, any time you add an option that increases capability (diesel engine, fifth wheel prep, etc.), comfort, or safety, you are adding weight to the truck. For every pound you add, subtract one pound from the payload. Unless you choose the de-rate option, every F350 DRW and F-450 has a 14,000# GVWR. The only way to maximize your stickered payload capacity is to order fewer options on your truck.
 
The dealer mentioned something about commercial use and taxes on the 450 when we looked at it? don't remember exactly..

That depends on your state and insurance. For example, my insurance company considers the F-450 C&C a commercial vehicle, but not the Super Duty. Texas registration cost is based off GVWR, so it's no different than a F-350 DRW since both are 14K lbs GVWR. Some finance companies also view the F-450 as commercial and may not get through underwritting.

I do believe some states (i.e. California) will have additional costs...

YMMV

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There is quite a bit of confusion surrounding payload. Many ask about adding particular options to increase payload capacity. Payload is not a rating, it is the result of a mathematical calculation. The number on the payload sticker is derived from taking the GVWR (a static number assigned by the manufacturer, often having more to do with marketing than capability) and subtracting the actual weight of that specific truck as it rolled off the assembly line. So, any time you add an option that increases capability (diesel engine, fifth wheel prep, etc.), comfort, or safety, you are adding weight to the truck. For every pound you add, subtract one pound from the payload. Unless you choose the de-rate option, every F350 DRW and F-450 has a 14,000# GVWR. The only way to maximize your stickered payload capacity is to order fewer options on your truck.

You NAILED IT.........100% Accurate!

To the others reading this.....If you had a F350 Dually AND an F450 Dually (they are both 14,000 lb GVWR) and they were equipped exactly the same, the F450 Dually would show LESS payload than the F350...because of the basic weight of the F450 is more than the the Basic weight of the F350....bigger brakes, tires and wheels, etc.
 
JeffD68 and xrated,

I agree 100%, its about the numbers, the manufacturer should be able to tell us what the EXACT numbers are when we order it based on them being given the details of the order. because they cant it makes it hard to know exactly what your are getting.
 
Ford's choice to limit the F450 pickup to 14K lbs GVWR is a decision made by their Marketing department, not their Engineering department. Many states will list any truck with a GVWR greater than 14,000# as commercial, with higher registration fees and insurance rates.

This results in a lower payload on paper; it doesn't reflect the 450's capabilities.
 
Ford's choice to limit the F450 pickup to 14K lbs GVWR is a decision made by their Marketing department, not their Engineering department. Many states will list any truck with a GVWR greater than 14,000# as commercial, with higher registration fees and insurance rates.

This results in a lower payload on paper; it doesn't reflect the 450's capabilities.

I agree, but the problem is......how do you KNOW exactly what the full capabilities are......and I'm not pointing that question to you, Keeble, it's just a rhetorical question.
 
I agree, but the problem is......how do you KNOW exactly what the full capabilities are......and I'm not pointing that question to you, Keeble, it's just a rhetorical question.

I agree with you as well. I think the most important take away for members of this forum is that an F350 dually or an F450 will comfortably pull anything GD makes. If your use case is pulling a GD trailer, you have nothing to fear about an F450 with a lower published number than an F350.

This from a guy driving an F350.
 
I agree, but the problem is......how do you KNOW exactly what the full capabilities are......and I'm not pointing that question to you, Keeble, it's just a rhetorical question.

You can never KNOW exactly...unless you find that point and break a truck. This is where common sense and logic come into play. I would personally have no reservations loading a F450 up to the front and rear AWR (15500#) as long as the tires and wheels were rated for the same. I am also confident that it's actual capability goes beyond that. The chassis cab version is rated at 16500. I seriously doubt there is a mass produced fifth wheel on the market that can overwhelm a F450. Others would never consider exceeding the GVWR. To each their own.
 
Thanks for all the replies,
Walaby, yes, I had the dealer match the window sticker and pull the vin's, I went through the packages to make sure they were the same. and YEs, thats what it looks like on the https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/...-guides/2021_Ford_RVandTrailerTowingGuide.pdf shows it does when the camper package is added" 4x4 Crew Cab 176.0" 14,000 14,000 14,000 5,708/4,708 5,712/4,712 4,967/3,967.

WeirdAL, I agree with you but their documentation states otherwise.., this is the point I was making. Even the ford rep cant tell me what the CCC is on the truck I have on order.

A.Texas.Yankee Agreed, It's the front springs it add 1 level to..

m.j.email The dealer mentioned something about commercial use and taxes on the 450 when we looked at it? don't remember exactly..

I just looked at the Ford Towing Guide and footnote 5 on page 13 says "with 13,000 pound payload package". With a 14,000 pound payload package you get 4,967.

JeffOfBoise
 

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