Ours works fine. We are almost at max payload on the pickup so I put airbags on to bring it back to level. Power is fine, it will go up the hills on any interstate I have been on thus far, such as I77 from NC to OH and I68 across WV and MD, and it pulls just fine. Downhill with the 3.5 requires paying attention as the engine does not have a lot of engine braking available, but uphill is no real challenge. The pickup payload is the biggest limiting factor so you would need to check your pickup and the trailer you plan to get to be sure you are can be safe.
I did it for years with my old Jayco. BUT...my older "1/2" ton in my signature is a special factory order Heavy Duty Payload Package. It includes the Max Tow package, but adds even more capability. So my sticker payload is 2166 - far above most 1/2 tons. Ready for travel, the Jayco was just a hundred under the carrying capacity of the loaded truck. Went to all three coasts, sometimes more than once, towed over many mountains. Always great. When the fifth was totaled due to a roof tear and water intrusion, there was no other fifth that was light enough (and still isn't) - all had gained weight. So rather than always be overweight, I got the 2670MK pull behind.
The newer aluminum body Fords with the same package would have a higher payload than mine, so could do it. But the expense of it, and the difficulty of getting one (most Ford dealers don't even know of the option) makes it a hard search.
I would never, ever do even my pull behind with a lesser truck, let alone a fifth.
Payload is always the first hard limit in sizing a truck. Base what you need off of the GVWR of the trailer, not the manufacturer specs of the pin weight...that is alway orders of magnitude too low.
The newer aluminum body Fords with the same package would have a higher payload than mine, so could do it. But the expense of it, and the difficulty of getting one (most Ford dealers don't even know of the option) makes it a hard search.
I would never, ever do even my pull behind with a lesser truck, let alone a fifth.
Payload is always the first hard limit in sizing a truck. Base what you need off of the GVWR of the trailer, not the manufacturer specs of the pin weight...that is alway orders of magnitude too low.
I have a 2024 Ram 1500 limited 4x4 with air bags, 3.92 gear ratio, hemi v8 Etorque, with an 1840 payload capacity and 11,500 tow capacity. Thoughts on how it would do? My concern is 1840 payload capacity would put me at max level with pin weight and extra cargo? Dangerous to be running cross country with that much weight on the vehicle?
Towed our 295RL 5er with a 2013 F150 SCREW 4x4 6.2ltr SB. Did it for 3 yrs from the Rockies to the Smokies without issue. Did however put 10ply tires, 10 row tranny cooler, Bilstein shocks, rear Helwig stabiler bar and AirLift leveling on our F150. Loved that truck better than my current F250 CREW 7.3 SB. The turning radius of the F250 sucks compared to the F150.
The lightest current GD seems to be the 22RK. GVWR of 9995. Roughly 20% of that supported by the truck, so 1999 lbs. Oops, you're already over, without the hitch itself. The truck sticker weight is for when it left the factory floor - so anything added after also subtracts from that: Dealer added running boards, bed liners, floor mats, better tires, tools, dangling dice from the mirror, old french fries, etc. Not sure about RAM, but Ford does allow for full gas and a 150 lb driver.
The 22RK empty weight is 6930, and GD says the pin weight when empty is 1086 (15.6%). No trailer, ever, was delivered at the factory empty weight - they all come in over. And that 15.6% is absurdly low compared to what most actually come in at as a % of actual weight.
Packing very light, with no liquids aboard, you might be around 8,000 lbs. And if lucky only 18% on the pin. Plus 100 for the hitch. So 1540. Leaving 290 for passengers/dogs, and all the other stuff in/on the truck.
Going above is the great unknown. Too many factors to tell you whether it is safe or unsafe. Nobody will likely ever catch you, but if it did come out after an accident, you know where the lawyers will land....
Others seem to do it, but I wouldn't.
All trucks can pull. Many just can't carry.
The 22RK empty weight is 6930, and GD says the pin weight when empty is 1086 (15.6%). No trailer, ever, was delivered at the factory empty weight - they all come in over. And that 15.6% is absurdly low compared to what most actually come in at as a % of actual weight.
Packing very light, with no liquids aboard, you might be around 8,000 lbs. And if lucky only 18% on the pin. Plus 100 for the hitch. So 1540. Leaving 290 for passengers/dogs, and all the other stuff in/on the truck.
Going above is the great unknown. Too many factors to tell you whether it is safe or unsafe. Nobody will likely ever catch you, but if it did come out after an accident, you know where the lawyers will land....
Others seem to do it, but I wouldn't.
All trucks can pull. Many just can't carry.
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In my opinion, there is no such animal as a 1/2 towable fifth wheel. Go with a travel trailer or get more truck if you want a fifth wheel.
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Is that 1840lbs. payload capacity right from the sticker from your door jamb? Or is that what you read from the tow charts? Most of the half ton Ram Limited models have very low payloads.
Scott'n'Wendy
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I agree. Not anymore. Our first 5th was a 1993 21' Jayco. It lived fine behind our 1/2 ton. But..as someone posted earlier...5'ers have gained a lot of weight and length over the years.
When I first saw the Reflection150 trailers I asked the sales guy what the '150' is for. He said it indicated it can be "pulled by a Ford F150... so any any half ton." I'm not one to debate anything with a sales guy so I just nodded and continued looking. I checked some of the weight numbers on the trailer sticker for a couple Ref150's and remember thinking...these trailers need a 3/4 ton TV. I couldn't find anything that would be good behind a F150.
Kind of looks like an old Casita 5th wheel I saw years ago.
lineman1234
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Not a 5ver but sameish........ Scamp makes a mid size pickup gooseneck camper, single axel. Pricey, even for the base, much more pimped out, but still not a bumper pull. I have been to the plant in MN. For me its a beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but all are solid rigs.
A company in Texas makes a conversion to make a bumper pull into a legal gooseneck towing rig. Not cheap at all, but if a person wants to go that route for personal reasons, its out there. So, although a play on words. It opens up quite a bit of options, skipping the cost, to a person wanting to gooseneck tow a TT.
A company in Texas makes a conversion to make a bumper pull into a legal gooseneck towing rig. Not cheap at all, but if a person wants to go that route for personal reasons, its out there. So, although a play on words. It opens up quite a bit of options, skipping the cost, to a person wanting to gooseneck tow a TT.
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lineman1234
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.. A quick question of how do you like it and how does it tow,,, I took a picture. Some people hear at the park. Towing a nice reflection 150 series with front AC, with a Ford f150.
No problem they are very happy.
Looks the same from the outside as my reflection 273mk but there door is in the rear. Mine midish.
No problem they are very happy.
Looks the same from the outside as my reflection 273mk but there door is in the rear. Mine midish.
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For almost 3 years we towed a 220RK with a Nissan Titan XD. Both were 2018 models and the truck was gas. The payload was 1984# and the empty hitch wt was 1100 on the 5er.
We were within 50lbs on the payload but never over. The XD had a 3/4 ton frame and oversize brakes. It towed as well as my 2020 F350 with a new 10,000# 303RLS.
The Titan XD is listed as a 1/2 ton truck, but it was the most robust 1/2 ton ever made. Man I really miss that truck...
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lineman1234
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Thats good payload. My 2015 ram 2500 6.7 cummins regular cab 4x4 had a payload of exactly 2,500lbs.
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