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In simple language how does a heat pump work in a RV? If you have three air conditioners do you want or need a heat pump for each air conditioner?
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Yep, GD offers this as an option on the main AC in many of their floorplans. I have this on my Solitude. It works to heat down to about 40f outside, due to physics it just won't move energy past that.

Nothing stopping them from having a heat pump on ALL AC units in a trailer, other vendors do this, but GD only offers it on the one even in a multi-unit system.

Having a heat pump is integral to the design of the AC unit, not something you can add aftermarket.

Of note, the heat pump uses the ceiling duct work and will therefore not warm the underbelly. Since it stops being effective ABOVE freezing anyways, just kind of reinforces that you should absolutely use the gas furnace if freezing weather is expected.
 
Due to the limitations of a HP only one is needed in an RV. At anything above 40 I can heat my 376 up as warm as I want. Below 40 I just use the furnace.
 
Newbie question:
How does one cycle between the heat pump and furnace?
On shakedown trip now, it was chilly around 40 last night.
Is there a level of temp monitoring going on so the thermostat chooses based on ambient temps, or other?
Checked manual, control panel, thermostat, etc - no obvious answer like with the water heater!
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Newbie question:
How does one cycle between the heat pump and furnace?
On shakedown trip now, it was chilly around 40 last night.
Is there a level of temp monitoring going on so the thermostat chooses based on ambient temps, or other?
Checked manual, control panel, thermostat, etc - no obvious answer like with the water heater!
:faint2:
So you have the choice of "prefer gas" or "prefer heat pump" to switch. The prefer gas will always use gas furnance from what I can tell. Prefer heat pump will use the heat pump until the temperature falls below 8 degrees of what your setting is. Example if you have prefer heat pump and your temperature is set to 68 degress, heat pump will be used until the temperature drops below 60 in the rv. Then gas furnace will kick on.

FYI, the further the outside temperature drops below 50 degrees, the less effective the heat pump is and it's completely ineffective 40 degrees and below.

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So you have the choice of "prefer gas" or "prefer heat pump" to switch. The prefer gas will always use gas furnance from what I can tell. Prefer heat pump will use the heat pump until the temperature falls below 8 degrees of what your setting is. Example if you have prefer heat pump and your temperature is set to 68 degress, heat pump will be used until the temperature drops below 60 in the rv. Then gas furnace will kick on.

FYI, the further the outside temperature drops below 50 degrees, the less effective the heat pump is and it's completely ineffective 40 degrees and below.

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Thank you, but where/how?! I seem to be on prefer gas right now.
 
A quick and simple question of how they work. When you go to the heat pump, there is a reversing valve in the refrigeration circuit (freon) that changes the flow of the freon, and that basically makes the evaporator function as the condenser.....and the condenser function as the evaporator.
 
In simple language how does a heat pump work in a RV? If you have three air conditioners do you want or need a heat pump for each air conditioner?
Thanks in advance for your help.
With heat pumps, it's important to understand that they're only about as efficient at heating as at cooling. An air conditioner might be designed to cool 20 F, that is to go from 95 F outside to 75 F inside. That same temperature differential would only be able to heat from 45 F to 65 F, so if you need three air conditioners, then three heat pumps will still not be enough to keep your RV warm in really cold weather. In addition, heat pumps are less efficient at lower temperatures, so you're going to need some additional heating if it's very cold.
 
With heat pumps, it's important to understand that they're only about as efficient at heating as at cooling. An air conditioner might be designed to cool 20 F, that is to go from 95 F outside to 75 F inside. That same temperature differential would only be able to heat from 45 F to 65 F, so if you need three air conditioners, then three heat pumps will still not be enough to keep your RV warm in really cold weather. In addition, heat pumps are less efficient at lower temperatures, so you're going to need some additional heating if it's very cold.
You have a bit of misunderstanding about that "20° differential" in your explanation above. An air cond. is considered to be doing a good job of cooling if it can achieve a 20°F temperature differential between the inlet air and the discharge air........not the inside air and the outside air.

And example of that is: An A/C unit is turned on and the room is 85 degrees inside. After a bit of time, the outlet air coming out of the unit should be approx. 18 to 20 degrees cooler than the air entering the unit. As it continues to run, that cooler is being circulated throughout and is also becoming the inlet air. After some period of time, that room air temperature is down to maybe 80 degrees and that is what is going into the A/C unit. That same 18 to 20 degree exchange or differential is still happening, and so now the outlet air is down to around 60 degrees. The outside air temperature probably has not changed a bit....or maybe it's gotten even hotter outside. As that 60 degree air continues to flow and the air inside the room keeps falling down lower and lower, that air is also, still inlet air to be cooled even more. This cycle will continue until either the thermostat has reached the setpoint (satisfied) or until the heat load on the trailer/house/whatever has reached a point that the air conditioner simply does not have the capacity to cool it any longer.
 
We skipped the heat pump. We use the fireplace in the rear area. A small space heater in the front. The furnace set to 70 degrees.

Your compressor fridge is a heat pump. Hot air comes out the bottom into the room.

Ladies generally hate heat pumps. In our sticks and bricks the air coming out of the registers is about 90 degrees. Feels cool to most folks. But, does heat the house. I hate ours.
 
You have a bit of misunderstanding about that "20° differential" in your explanation above. An air cond. is considered to be doing a good job of cooling if it can achieve a 20°F temperature differential between the inlet air and the discharge air........not the inside air and the outside air.

And example of that is: An A/C unit is turned on and the room is 85 degrees inside. After a bit of time, the outlet air coming out of the unit should be approx. 18 to 20 degrees cooler than the air entering the unit. As it continues to run, that cooler is being circulated throughout and is also becoming the inlet air. After some period of time, that room air temperature is down to maybe 80 degrees and that is what is going into the A/C unit. That same 18 to 20 degree exchange or differential is still happening, and so now the outlet air is down to around 60 degrees. The outside air temperature probably has not changed a bit....or maybe it's gotten even hotter outside. As that 60 degree air continues to flow and the air inside the room keeps falling down lower and lower, that air is also, still inlet air to be cooled even more. This cycle will continue until either the thermostat has reached the setpoint (satisfied) or until the heat load on the trailer/house/whatever has reached a point that the air conditioner simply does not have the capacity to cool it any longer.
Yes, but it isn't when the AC can't cool the air any longer that we're worried about, it's when it can't cool it any FURTHER, and that's what the user is usually concerned with. Some states have laws that the AC must be able to cool a rental apartment to 78 degrees, for instance. The designer of the air conditioning system must have in mind a certain outside temperature at which the unit can keep the inside air at some certain lower temperature. I'm saying that you might expect your system to cool to 75 F when the outside temperature is 95 F. Depending on many things, you might also expect, and/or get, better performance (or worse). Maybe your system can cool to a nice comfortable 75 F when the outside temperature is 100 F. Since it can get the inside temperature to 25 F cooler than the outside temperature, you could expect it, when acting as a heat pump, to get the inside temperature to about 25 F warmer than outside. However, in very cold weather, you probably want it to get the inside to more like 50 F warmer than outdoors.

By the way, the Lippert/Furrion air conditioners that come on Grand Design RVs, these days, and can put out heat, are not actually heat pumps. They just use resistance heaters to provide the heat, so the efficiency is much lower than an actual heat pump.
 
Yes, but it isn't when the AC can't cool the air any longer that we're worried about, it's when it can't cool it any FURTHER, and that's what the user is usually concerned with. Some states have laws that the AC must be able to cool a rental apartment to 78 degrees, for instance. The designer of the air conditioning system must have in mind a certain outside temperature at which the unit can keep the inside air at some certain lower temperature. I'm saying that you might expect your system to cool to 75 F when the outside temperature is 95 F. Depending on many things, you might also expect, and/or get, better performance (or worse). Maybe your system can cool to a nice comfortable 75 F when the outside temperature is 100 F. Since it can get the inside temperature to 25 F cooler than the outside temperature, you could expect it, when acting as a heat pump, to get the inside temperature to about 25 F warmer than outside. However, in very cold weather, you probably want it to get the inside to more like 50 F warmer than outdoors.

By the way, the Lippert/Furrion air conditioners that come on Grand Design RVs, these days, and can put out heat, are not actually heat pumps. They just use resistance heaters to provide the heat, so the efficiency is much lower than an actual heat pump.
Every heat pump made has a balance point temperature. A balance point is the outdoor temperature at which a heat pump reaches its heating capacity. The heat pump will struggle to increase the indoor temperature but since the outdoor temperature matches its heating capacity, the heat pump will continue to run but have little or no impact on the indoor temperature. Most RV heat pumps traditionally will be pretty ineffective as far as providing noticeable heat when the outside air temperatures get lower than 40 degrees. On the other hand, my 5 year old heat pump here at the house has a balance point that is 21/22 degrees, and after a two degree differential between the thermostat setpoint and the inside air temperature, the electric heat strips will turn on and show on the thermostat as "emergency heat". But the purpose of my previous post was to correct your misstatement about the 20 degree differential. The differential is in reference to the the inlet and outlet air across the evaporator, not the difference between inside air temperature and outside air temperature.
 

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