How many people pull a Reflection 303RLS with a 3/4 truck?

[Rgpracer]

After all the post about pullers and campers.....i was just curious, since i have a 2020 Ram 2500 with Cummins goung to be pulling a new 303, just whom out there pulls a 303 with a 3/4 truck of anykind, and what do you think?

Lol......my wife is laughing at me that next.....i will want a 3500. I told her that the 3/4 ton is quite capable and i won't be trading up in puller.

Thanks

 

[MoonShadow_1911]

After all the post about pullers and campers.....i was just curious, since i have a 2020 Ram 2500 with Cummins goung to be pulling a new 303, just whom out there pulls a 303 with a 3/4 truck of anykind, and what do you think?

Lol......my wife is laughing at me that next.....i will want a 3500. I told her that the 3/4 ton is quite capable and i won't be trading up in puller.

Thanks

You will probably trade up... We just went for the 1 ton straight away.

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[Jerryr]

Normally the limiting factor with a 5th wheel is payload. What is your payload on the yellow door sticker?

A 303 typically will come within a empty factory pin weight of about 2200 lbs with battery and 2 full propane tanks. When loaded for Travel pin weigh can be anywhere from 2400-2800 lbs.

So add pin weight, hitch weight (~200 lbs) driver and passenger weights, cargo etc. Its highly likely that if your 3/4 ton is a diesel that you will exceed payload.

The more important weight is rear axle weight REAR GAWR. To calculate if you exceed that number you need to get your truck and trailer weighed.

I tow a 337RLS which is about 200-300 lbs heavier pin weight. I tow it with a F350 diesel short bed with a payload of 3,483 lbs. I also use a lightweight Andersen Hitch to reduce weight. With me, my wife a 25 lb dog I’m only about 100 lbs under my 3,483 lbs payload when loaded for travel.

 

[Rgpracer]

Hmmmm, interesting. I am 2300 on sticker. I have cousin pulling 337 with 3/4 ton ram.
Hmmmm, will see how it works i guess. I have read many post, and looked at signatures and many have 3/4 ton pulling a 337. I hope this works.

 

[NB Canada]

Hmmmm, interesting. I am 2300 on sticker. I have cousin pulling 337 with 3/4 ton ram.
Hmmmm, will see how it works i guess. I have read many post, and looked at signatures and many have 3/4 ton pulling a 337. I hope this works.

Sounds like you will be severely overloaded
That 2300 on your sticker is probably higher than actual. Need to weigh it to know exactly

Funny the tow police on here don’t come out for HD trucks even when they greatly exceed the ratings
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[Rgpracer]

Sounds like you will be severely overloaded
That 2300 on your sticker is probably higher than actual. Need to weigh it to know exactly

Funny the tow police on here don’t come out for HD trucks even when they greatly exceed the ratings
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So, your saying it will be unsafe to tow the 303 with a 3/4 ton ram 2500 huh NB?

 

[John303]

When it comes to questions like these we really need to get away from opinion. Do the weigh your rig dance at a local scale to determine the payload that will be placed on the truck. When you get your new rig that is. Armed with that information you can make a determination about how far over the payload rating you are, assuming you are (I think you will be, but those darn opinions...). People do pull 303s with 3/4 ton diesels, but there is usually some rationalization about why it is safe to do so even though they are over payload.

It will be interesting to see your actual payload vs truck rating. Trucks makers are always upping their game, so maybe that unicorn does exist now, but work with actual weights and your truck sticker numbers.

I towed a 303 with a 3/4 ton gas 6.4 hemi. While all the numbers were in spec, it was not enjoyable to drive or refuel. I upgraded to a diesel 1 ton dually. The dually was overkill, but I never wanted to buy another truck having grown tied of the leapfrog game with rig and truck. Your diesel will give you all you need to move it forward, but you will be near max payload (possibly over), which will have an effect on wear and tear, and most importantly, stopping...unless you install EOH brakes.

Keep us posted.

 

[NB Canada]

So, your saying it will be unsafe to tow the 303 with a 3/4 ton ram 2500 huh NB?

Never said that. I said it will be greatly over your limits

The rest is up to you

If your door says 2300 it is likely closer to 2150 actual minus the hitch and you are below 2000 lbs payload before your family gets in
The pin weight will be north of 2500

I guesstimate you will exceed the gvwr by 800 plus pounds


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[Rgpracer]

Sounds like you will be severely overloaded
That 2300 on your sticker is probably higher than actual. Need to weigh it to know exactly

Funny the tow police on here don’t come out for HD trucks even when they greatly exceed the ratings
Send it


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I must be mistaken about how to read the stixker and don't know what I'm doing.....everything i have read online says my bed capacity is 4000+.
Can someone tell me how ro read it?

 

[Rgpracer]

Or.....is THIS what i have to go by??
.....which is ONLY 2140lbs......surely the bed loaded qill hold more than that.....

 

[John303]

I must be mistaken about how to read the stixker and don't know what I'm doing.....everything i have read online says my bed capacity is 4000+.
Can someone tell me how ro read it?View attachment 36716View attachment 36717

Find the tire sticker. Here is a picture of mine where I circled the payload rating. Pay attention to the tire pressures too to get that payload.

 

[John303]

Or.....is THIS what i have to go by??View attachment 36718
.....which is ONLY 2140lbs......surely the bed loaded qill hold more than that.....

I just posted a picture of mine, but it looks like you found the right sticker. And no, the truck is not rated to carry more 2140 lbs of "stuff", including people, dogs, coolers, camp gear etc. The diesel engines are very heavy and gobble up payload. My gasser Ram 3/4 had over 3000lbs of payload, but I was not satisfied with the power going up hills.

 

[Fivecodys]

Not "Weight Police" but wanted to add a comment.
Was told by my insurance agent (aka the wife) that there can be legal ramifications if you are overloaded and involved in an accident.
In some cases your insurance company may even deny coverage. I myself am not in position to tell you not to do this but since you are investigating all of this it might be something to consider.

We arrogantly towed over our cargo capacity for quite a while. I mean, my last truck pulled a space shuttle across the tarmac so what's the problem, right?

Again, I'm not telling you what you should do. Just passing along information.

Safe travels!

 

[Rgpracer]

Find the tire sticker. Here is a picture of mine where I circled the payload rating. Pay attention to the tire pressures too to get that payload.
View attachment 36719

Soooo, mine saying 2140 lbs is all mine will hold huh?
With the 303 having a pin weight of 1700.....and combine passenger weight and qhat ever else i put in the bed puts me near capacity??
Wow
Thanks

 

[NB Canada]

Soooo, mine saying 2140 lbs is all mine will hold huh?
With the 303 having a pin weight of 1700.....and combine passenger weight and qhat ever else i put in the bed puts me near capacity??
Wow
Thanks

It will be less than 2140
Any customer or dealer installed options are deducted from that
Only an empty scale run will determine
My guess it is under 2000
Then you have the weight of the hitch as well

And 1700?
The dry pin weight is 2000 not 1700
You won’t be near you will exceed by a lot imo

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[Rgpracer]

It will be less than 2140
Any customer or dealer installed options are deducted from that
Only an empty scale run will determine
My guess it is under 2000
Then you have the weight of the hitch as well

And 1700?
The dry pin weight is 2000 not 1700
You won’t be near you will exceed by a lot imo

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According to GD and web site.....1640, not sure where your 2000 number came from.

 

[JeffD68]

Are you trying to start trouble? Trying or not, a question like yours will start it.

Not all 3/4 ton trucks are created equal. Ford and GM offer 250/2500 trucks, when properly equipped, are mechanically speaking, nearly identical to their 350/3500 counterparts. Ram is a little different. I'm no expert on Ram trucks, but know that the 2500 has a coil spring rear suspension while the 3500 has heavier duty leaf springs. Ram uses the lower output version of the Cummins in the 2500. Ram also multiple transmissions...I'm guessing the one behind the 2500 engine(s) is less stout than the one behind trucks with the high output Cummins.

Is it safe towing a 303 with your 2500? Based on the millions of miles of successful towing by overloaded 3/4 ton trucks, probably. Of course, some dude that drives a 25 year old 3500 (that is not nearly as safe as your modern truck with safety features that didn't even exist in 1996) will chime in saying if you are one pound over payload, you are living on the brink of disaster. That is a gross oversimplification.

You would not be "severely" overloaded, but the pin weight of a 303 will eat up all of the stickered payload capacity of your truck. You would be a few hundred pounds over.

 

[Dakota]

I do. Ford F-250 turbo diesel. Pulls great. No sag. But, I do know I am at or above cargo carrying capacity. We camp in state for the most part, but want to travel to the east and west coast after I retire. We will look at 350’s if we decide to do that.

 

[NB Canada]

According to GD and web site.....1640, not sure where your 2000 number came from.

I just looked at the site for a 303rls and it shows pin weight of 1865 which is without options ,lp gas or batteries


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[Jerryr]

Your payload is 2040 lbs
Your REAR GAWR is 6140

Payload:
Payload is calculated by the GVWR of your truck (10000 lbs) minus the actual weight of you truck with full fuel as it left the assembly line. So ha means your truck weighed 7860 lbs when it was born (10000-2140=7840). Technically you should never exceed 2140 lbs total weight counting what’s in the cabin and what’s in the bed.

Rear GAWR:
As I stated earlier the most critical weight where you can break things in the truck when you load a 5th wheel is REAR GAWR. This takes into account suspension limits, axle limits and tire limits. That GAVR is normally limited by either tire loading or axle limitation, which ever is the lowest. Exceeding that limit can cause axle failure or tire failure.

You can take your truck to a CAT scale with full fuel and see what the rear axle weight is now. Subtract that from 6140 and that will tell you how much pin weight and hitch weight you can carry before exceeding REAR GAWR.