I assume my math is correct

[greische]

You are looking at a light trailer. I will not repeat what everyone else has just posted, but will give you my real numbers. I have a 2020 Solitude 2930 (basically yhe same floorplan and size as a 337RL but heavier). I have a 2023 F350 short bed crew 4x4 with the 7.3. My rig weighs 11100 on the truck axles, 6900 on the rear truck axle and a total actual weight of 21000 fully loaded. We are 400 lbs under gross on the truck, 300 lbs under the rear axle gross and 600 lbs under the gross rating of the rear tires. An F350 SRW will give you plenty of truck

. There is no one who believes more in overkill than me but going to a dually is completely unnecessary

 

[akgourmet]

303rls pin weight

My wife and I full time in a 2018 Grand Design 303rls. Last time I CAT scaled it in 2019 the pin weight was 2400 lbs. loaded for travel. We tow with a 2013 F350 Platinum diesel, payload 3300 lbs. Best recommendation I can make is to add disc brakes to the trailer. Makes a world of difference when towing.

 

[Pete K]

2023 F350 CC LB DRW 7.3l Gasser --> Truck CCC Payload = 6336 pounds. (should be able to tow any 5th wheel made)

 

[COGrandDes]

2023 F350 CC LB DRW 7.3l Gasser --> Truck CCC Payload = 6336 pounds. (should be able to tow any 5th wheel made)

That statement all depends on which region of the Country you are in and the altitudes. Bring that rig to CO and hit Wolf Creek pass and it may tow it....but not quickly up the mountains with the 30% HP losses at altitude. Each person's TV decisions should be based on where they will spend the most time towing and at what altitude!

 

[Misterpiano]

You are losing a lot of payload with the diesel. I have a F350 Lariat long bed crew cab with the 7.3 gas Godzilla, 5th wheel prep, 10 spd transmission. My payload is 3921 lbs. I pull s 2022 Reflection 150 series 295RL, GVWR of 10,995. We considered the 303, but did not like the bathroom layout. I live is Mass, and vacation in Maine, NH, Vt, and finger lakes region of NY. I am very happy with this combination. I have 3.73 rear end, the tow rating is 16,200 (but you run out of payload first!). I would not hesitate to pull a 303 with this truck. Anything bigger, I would seriously look toward a diesel. People have said I need a diesel to go through the Rockies.....maybe so, but I live in Mass.....I travel at 60 mph, tow/haul mode on, and use cruise control. I get 9.5 mpg average. I have never had a situation where the truck would struggle to maintain that speed. In the White Mountains of NH the tranny shifts as needed, on larger hills it usually downshifts to 6th, occasionally 5th, but I let the truck do it's thing. (7th gear is 1:1, 8th, 9th, & 10th are overdrives). I will also say that it does a decent job downshifting as needed for engine breaking to hold me back on downhills. Would a diesel do better? Absolutely, but is it worth losing 900 lbs of payload, and spending $10k more for that option? Not for me in this part of the country. Just my opinion.

 

[trailrydr]

You are losing a lot of payload with the diesel. I have a F350 Lariat long bed crew cab with the 7.3 gas Godzilla, 5th wheel prep, 10 spd transmission. My payload is 3921 lbs. I pull s 2022 Reflection 150 series 295RL, GVWR of 10,995. We considered the 303, but did not like the bathroom layout. I live is Mass, and vacation in Maine, NH, Vt, and finger lakes region of NY. I am very happy with this combination. I have 3.73 rear end, the tow rating is 16,200 (but you run out of payload first!). I would not hesitate to pull a 303 with this truck. Anything bigger, I would seriously look toward a diesel. People have said I need a diesel to go through the Rockies.....maybe so, but I live in Mass.....I travel at 60 mph, tow/haul mode on, and use cruise control. I get 9.5 mpg average. I have never had a situation where the truck would struggle to maintain that speed. In the White Mountains of NH the tranny shifts as needed, on larger hills it usually downshifts to 6th, occasionally 5th, but I let the truck do it's thing. (7th gear is 1:1, 8th, 9th, & 10th are overdrives). I will also say that it does a decent job downshifting as needed for engine breaking to hold me back on downhills. Would a diesel do better? Absolutely, but is it worth losing 900 lbs of payload, and spending $10k more for that option? Not for me in this part of the country. Just my opinion.

+1 - agree. We pull our '19 295RL with our 2023 F250 Lariat SCREW 4x4 SB w/7.3 & 3.73 gears and camper pkg. Have a payload of 3545#s and no problems towing our trailer either.

 

[Laurie 1799]

Here are my numbers, 2016 GMC double cab,8’ box, diesel,4x4, 2019 Solitude 310gk. Steering 5004lbs,drive axle 7020 lbs and trailer axles together 11,244lbs. The only spot I am close is my drive axle only 30 lbs to spare. This was weighed the way we go down the road, full water tank and holding tanks, propane full,groceries clothes etc. I could easily get 2 hundred pounds off my drives by moving some stuff. I have air bags only need 25lbs to get level. I get the dual wheel idea, but wanted to stay with a single wheel for parking etc.

 

[COGrandDes]

You are losing a lot of payload with the diesel. I have a F350 Lariat long bed crew cab with the 7.3 gas Godzilla, 5th wheel prep, 10 spd transmission. My payload is 3921 lbs. I pull s 2022 Reflection 150 series 295RL, GVWR of 10,995. We considered the 303, but did not like the bathroom layout. I live is Mass, and vacation in Maine, NH, Vt, and finger lakes region of NY. I am very happy with this combination. I have 3.73 rear end, the tow rating is 16,200 (but you run out of payload first!). I would not hesitate to pull a 303 with this truck. Anything bigger, I would seriously look toward a diesel. People have said I need a diesel to go through the Rockies.....maybe so, but I live in Mass.....I travel at 60 mph, tow/haul mode on, and use cruise control. I get 9.5 mpg average. I have never had a situation where the truck would struggle to maintain that speed. In the White Mountains of NH the tranny shifts as needed, on larger hills it usually downshifts to 6th, occasionally 5th, but I let the truck do it's thing. (7th gear is 1:1, 8th, 9th, & 10th are overdrives). I will also say that it does a decent job downshifting as needed for engine breaking to hold me back on downhills. Would a diesel do better? Absolutely, but is it worth losing 900 lbs of payload, and spending $10k more for that option? Not for me in this part of the country. Just my opinion.

I'm not sure if that response was for me or not...but another data point--I think it depends on the truck. My payload for my 2022 GMC Sierra AT4 Long bed SRW is 3865....with the Duramax and the 10-speed Allison. The combo is solid going up the hills and coming down them with the exhaust break. It's not just the power factor for pulling....it's the braking of the truck and camper too. No lost payload for what I am looking to pull. I moved from a 16K lb 40' Montana to the Reflection just because we spend all of our time off the grid in the woods and mountains. This one is way easier to park and maneuver in the woods.

 

[AllenV]

This may be late, but I I'll chime in anyway.

We have a 303RLS towed by a 2023 Chevy 2500HD crew-cab standard bed with the 6.6L Duramax.

The truck tows the rig easily. I love the exhaust brake, which my previous F250 did not have.

The numbers from the door frame sticker:
Max Payload 3109 lbs
GVWR. 11350

If we allow for the fully loaded 2400 lb pin weight we still get 700 lbs for my wife and I, a hitch (B&W Companion), snacks, cameras and jackets loaded in the truck. Most everything else we put in the basement.

Very comfortable with that.

 

[docque]

Thanks for all the input people. When the time comes I will go with the 350 and special order it because most off the lot trucks are not set up for what I want. Heck, while camping this year we saw a 350 diesel that had about the same CCC of my 150.

 

[Spartacus]

I have a 2023 Chevy Silverado High Country 3500 and my payload is 3862lbs but I will be trading it for a dually tomorrow which give me 5242lbs of payload.

 

[Joe1967]

I pulled a 31MB for the last three years with a 2016 F350 6.7 diesel 4x4 crew cab SRW Lariat with a slider hitch in the bed. GVWR of that truck is 11,500. GVWR of the 31MB is 12,000 lbs, empty weight about 9,900 lbs. With the camper fully loaded, a full tank of fresh water and everyone and everything in the truck, I weighed the rig. Truck front axle 5080 lbs, truck rear axle 5960, and trailer axles 8,760. Total weight 19,800. I drove this set up in all kinds of conditions, and never felt unsafe. The truck weighed about 8500 with everything in it and the trailer not hooked to it, giving a pin weight of about (5080+5960-8500) 2,500 lbs.

 

[mwdilday]

Remember the CCC considers capacity on front and rear axles. 5th wheels are 100% on the rear axle. You should only consider the rear axle CCC for a 5th wheel which will be less than the vehicle CCC. A DRW Chevrolet is what you need. Fords have issues - mainly injector pump failure that will cost around 10k to repair plus many more issues.

 

[Joe1967]

Remember the CCC considers capacity on front and rear axles. 5th wheels are 100% on the rear axle. You should only consider the rear axle CCC for a 5th wheel which will be less than the vehicle CCC. A DRW Chevrolet is what you need. Fords have issues - mainly injector pump failure that will cost around 10k to repair plus many more issues.

98,000 miles on my 2016 and no injector pump failure. DEF heater failed, but Ford reimbursed me (and everyone else who had that problem) for the entire cost to replace it. Rear GAWR 7,000 lbs. Front axle weight was the same with or without the 31MB hooked up.