Initial quality of 2024 Reflection 5th Wheel

[Chaps2018]

I understand but even if it's 3/4" off one Jack is taking more weight until it auto/levels. Not to mention the twist of the lippert frame.

I broke the transmission bar on an old school 5er landing jack system once due to unequal left/right height in the first year of ownership. I assume it was due to the fact that one jack carried more than its share of the weight.

The good thing about the drop front jacks feature on ground control 3 is it sets each front jack separately (automatically) before raising the rig off the hitch.

I like that feature considering a new front GC3 jack is orders of magnitude more cost than the old school landing gear transmission bar.

 

[NB Canada]

I understand but even if it's 3/4" off one Jack is taking more weight until it auto/levels. Not to mention the twist of the lippert frame.

I broke the transmission bar on an old school 5er landing jack system once due to unequal left/right height in the first year of ownership. I assume it was due to the fact that one jack carried more than its share of the weight.

The good thing about the drop front jacks feature on ground control 3 is it sets each front jack separately (automatically) before raising the rig off the hitch.

I like that feature considering a new front GC3 jack is orders of magnitude more cost than the old school landing gear transmission bar.

I don’t understand the issue

Are you worried about uneven side to side ground and the front jacks are not level???

I would simple shim the one not on the ground with boards or legos

 

[Chaps2018]

Yes, using legos, shims, pins on the jack extensions can get you within an inch of both jacks hitting the ground at the same time. Is that good enough? My understanding is that GC3 removed the DROP FRONT JACKS function starting in 2020 or 2021 so it has been fielded for some time. One would think if it was a problem it would be all over the forum...I don't believe it is.

A friend with a 2021 341RDS had one of his front GC3 jacks fail in December. He cut his trip short and was 2 days from home and could not get it fixed (thanks to extended warranty...). At home he had to leave his truck connected to the trailer for a week until he was able to get an appointment to get it replaced. (I would have used cribbing and hydraulic jack to lift it off but he decided not to at home)

His GC3 does not have "DROP FRONT JACKS" either. I just asked him about his set up method: his reply: I set them within an half an inch, they typically hit the ground at the same time! That seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[18CrewDually]

I don't do any "shimming". It is real simple, with the electric 3.0 system you bring down the legs by pressing FRONT until the first one touches. Let's say the LEFT touches first. You then hit the RIGHT button until the right leg comes down and touches. Then proceed pressing FRONT until the pin weight is off the truck hitch.
Unhitch and pull out. Then hit Auto Level.

 

[Chaps2018]

Excellent strategy

 

[RV adventure]

We purchased a new 2024 337RLS last August. Have about 4,000 miles and 80 camping days on it. We found the quality to be about the same as our last Grand Design fifth wheel. A few issues but nothing worth discussion except the A/C units. The thermostat has to be set at 60 degrees in order to get the A/C to cool. Evidently they put the temp sensors in the A/C return duct and it reads cooler than the actual temp in the fifth wheel. GD say's Lippert is working on a fix? Have not heard anything yet. We are very happy with our fifth wheel! Travel safe.

 

[SGT ROC]

I don't do any "shimming". It is real simple, with the electric 3.0 system you bring down the legs by pressing FRONT until the first one touches. Let's say the LEFT touches first. You then hit the RIGHT button until the right leg comes down and touches. Then proceed pressing FRONT until the pin weight is off the truck hitch.
Unhitch and pull out. Then hit Auto Level.

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I just scroll down to the "Lower front legs" option and press enter, then manually move it more to lift it off the hitch. After that Auto Level is your friend!

 

[OshawaDave]

Couple of things I see wrong with your statements......there are no hydraulics on a Reflection.

The selling dealer installs the battery, not GD.

The selling dealer is required to do a PDI on the unit to administer the warranty. If your selling dealer didn't find the water issue, shame on them.

Your recliners- again, dealer should have done a pdi and found it before you took possession of it.

Compass Connect is very finicky with Iphones. Android based phones work fine. it is Lippert programming, used across many manufacturers.

I'm not going to go through each of your other issues, and yes, should everything have been perfect from the start, yes. But the first test of any unit is the delivery distance to the dealership. For us, it is almost 700 miles. Things happen, which is why it is very important to have a good selling dealer do what they are supposed to.

PDI is a peeve of mine and others I'm sure. All a PDI is : removing styrofoam protection from furniture and fixtures, decal removal from microwave and such, installing a battery and propane tanks. If any of us think that PDI includes testing the water system and running the fridge on propane/electric/solar, checking the water heater and holding tanks........the we're all misguided.

Sorry my rant.

 

[huntr70]

PDI is a peeve of mine and others I'm sure. All a PDI is : removing styrofoam protection from furniture and fixtures, decal removal from microwave and such, installing a battery and propane tanks. If any of us think that PDI includes testing the water system and running the fridge on propane/electric/solar, checking the water heater and holding tanks........the we're all misguided.

Sorry my rant.

Maybe your dealer, but not here.....

It is a minimum of 4 hour intensive systems check. Yes, water checked, a/c has to be in a certain range, etc.

I've never seen any packing material around furniture or fixtures,(there is a plastic bag on the mattress) and I inspect every unit coming onto our lot at time of delivery.

 

[18CrewDually]

I just scroll down to the "Lower front legs" option and press enter, then manually move it more to lift it off the hitch. After that Auto Level is your friend!

You missed the gist of my post. What you do is fine & the norm on level ground.

 

[SGT ROC]

You missed the gist of my post. What you do is fine & the norm on level ground.

I got the gist of your post. Actually, I missed the post (#13) about Lippert removing the "Lower Front Jacks" option from the programming. I never said what you do is incorrect or anything, and given the programming issue, I believe it's the only option available.

 

[Scott'n'Wendy]

PDI is a peeve of mine and others I'm sure. All a PDI is : removing styrofoam protection from furniture and fixtures, decal removal from microwave and such, installing a battery and propane tanks. If any of us think that PDI includes testing the water system and running the fridge on propane/electric/solar, checking the water heater and holding tanks........the we're all misguided.

Sorry my rant.

I think you have a poor dealer in Oshawa. Or at least had a poor experience with them. We bought our trailer from a place called Four Season's in Virden MB. When we went to pick it up the chap 'showing' us the trailer we bought claimed they went through everything, tested everything and if we could find anything that didn't work as it should he would be surprised, but point it out and they would fix it before we drove off the lot. He demonstrated the GC 3.0 operation, then insisted I operate it (to make sure I was listening I think). Then how to operate it with my phone. I had asked the dealer to start the fridge on propane 12 hours prior to our arrival. They did and it was cold. Showed me the slide manual overrides, dump valves etc. After he was done he said there is no rush for us to drive away, If you want to stay all day checking it, be my guest. I spent a little while but couldn't find anything inoperable or broken or missing. After we were happy the trailer was as it should be we went and finished the financials and they gave us a certificate for emergency service good for one year. If the trailer has any warrantable issue within 500 miles of the dealership they will send a truck that will come out and fix it or drag it back to the dealer for more extensive repairs. I think they were pretty confident they checked over the trailer thoroughly.
Did they do a four hour PDI? I can't prove it, but I believe they did.

 

[OshawaDave]

Good to hear that there are actually dealers out there that provide an indepth PDI.
I have a love/hate relationship with dealer. They've been fine for some warrenty issues and complety fell down on others.......one being the PDI.

 

[Scott'n'Wendy]

complety fell down on others.......one being the PDI.

I think a lot do fall down on the PDI, but before I buy I research the dealer as well. Just so I know what to expect out of them. The local GD dealer is mediocre at best. I had to travel 12 hours east of me to buy...for the good rep...and they were $5k cheaper...OK...it was mostly the money.

 

[OshawaDave]

I think a lot do fall down on the PDI, but before I buy I research the dealer as well. Just so I know what to expect out of them. The local GD dealer is mediocre at best. I had to travel 12 hours east of me to buy...for the good rep...and they were $5k cheaper...OK...it was mostly the money.

12 hours east? Layzee Acres in Orillia?

 

[Scott'n'Wendy]

12 hours east? Layzee Acres in Orillia?

Whoops...12 hours west of me....Four Seasons Sales in Virden Manitoba