Momentum Travel trailer vs 5th wheel

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Hi all.

Looking at going to a toy hauler for our Honda pioneer 700-4 so we don't have to take 2 vehicles. I'm going to upgrade to a 1 ton diesel. Due to the dimensions of the UTV I think I need a separate garage so it's a 29G, or a 320/328G. I'm trying to decide if losing the truck bed is worth it for the 5th wheel. I like having the truck bed for saws and other gear when we go to our property or a place for deer when hunting but I really like the floor plan of the 328. Towing a bumper pull doesn't bother me. We've traveled over 10,000 miles in the last couple years with our current trailer.

What does the group say about this? There are a lot of things I like about the 5th wheel, but there are a lot of things I consider cons too.
 
I dont think it really matters what we say, you need to be happy with what works for your situation. I'd say tools and whatever other gear could possibly go in the garage if there is room with the UTV in there. On the other hand, do you really want a dead deer inside the camper?

I like the towing and stability, ease of hook up with a 5th wheel, but the free bed space is nice with a TT.

You could always consider a Goosebox or AUH for the 5th wheel which would free up the bed as soon as you unhook from the trailer so you dont have a giant hitch taking up the bed.

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You opinion matters more than you think. I have zero experience with 5th wheels. I appreciate it!

With a couple minor differences, the floor plans on the 29G and 328G are pretty similar. I'd like to stay on the "smaller" side because this is still going to be a lot bigger than our current rockwood 2509.
 
Start doing a fair amount of research here across brand forums! Many, many complain about bumper pull toy haulers end up being troublesome tows because the toy in the garage leaves the tongue too light. While I do not have a toyhauler camper, I have had many trailers to haul serious toys between my former racing hobby and my passion for hot rods. Consider your toy, do the math on tongue weight, consider costs of upgraded hitches (e.g., ProPride), etc. so you really make the best decision for you. If my data points helps you, ALL of my trailers are now gooseneck tows - enclosed car carrier, dump trailer, Solitude, and deck.
 
Thanks. I've seen a ton of people add fresh water as ballast when they have heavy stuff in the garage. Right now, we are dry camping so all that would mean is filling the tank before we leave vs closer to our property.

As for hitches, I'm already using an E4 so I know going with a good one is essential. My current set up does great on the highway. Of course, I'd have to buy a hitch for the 5th wheel too so I see that as a wash.
 
The fifth wheels tow so much better and they're easier to setup than a travel trailer. You don't get blown around on the highway by heavy trucks much.

Unless your terrain is flat and you're not going very far, go for the fifth wheel.
 
Hope the following helps. I try to compare facts first then experiences afterwards.

Pros:

You will get more room for your trailer length with a 5th wheel due to the cab over truck bed.

You will get better handling with the 5th wheel in nearly all conditions.

Better turning radius with a 5th wheel for those moments you need to cut hard angles.

Usually 5th wheels are more stable walking around inside and feel less like a boat at dock.

Cons:

You will lose truckbed space and access due to 5th wheel hitch.

5th wheel usually has entrance higher off ground which can be a pro and a con.

5th wheels are generally taller and will catch more trees on hunting grounds (and low bridges on the way there).

Generally more expensive than similar bumper pulls.

Slight learning curve with 5th wheel.


Now for my experience; I prefer a 5th wheel 100%, but I full time so my needs are different. If I were just headed out to a deer lease a few times a year with daytrip travel times, I'd probably lean bumper pull. If any far travel distances were involved and there were lots of hills and turns, or I were using the trailer frequently, I'd go 5th wheel.

HTH

Newly full timing in our 2021 Momentum 395MS-R with our tow pig being a 2021 F-450 KR
 
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Hope the following helps. I try to compare facts first then experiences afterwards.

Pros:

You will get more room for your trailer length with a 5th wheel due to the cab over truck bed.

You will get better handling with the 5th wheel in nearly all conditions.

Better turning radius with a 5th wheel for those moments you need to cut hard angles.

Usually 5th wheels are more stable walking around inside and feel less like a boat at dock.

Cons:

You will lose truckbed space and access due to 5th wheel hitch.

5th wheel usually has entrance higher off ground which can be a pro and a con.

5th wheels are generally taller and will catch more trees on hunting grounds (and low bridges on the way there).

Generally more expensive than similar bumper pulls.

Slight learning curve with 5th wheel.


Now for my experience; I prefer a 5th wheel 100%, but I full time so my needs are different. If I were just headed out to a deer lease a few times a year with daytrip travel times, I'd probably lean bumper pull. If any far travel distances were involved and there were lots of hills and turns, or I were using the trailer frequently, I'd go 5th wheel.

HTH

Newly full timing in our 2021 Momentum 395MS-R with our tow pig being a 2021 F-450 KR

Great P/C list! One thing that could be a non-factor - 5er hitch. Goosebox leaves your best clear and totally a bolt-on with zero warranty debate from anyone involved and if within the TH's pin weight. Otherwise, there is the GenY goose that can be used at significantly higher loading, but they there's the debate over frame warranty because GenY refuses to pay to play.

BTW - [MENTION=29772]A.Texas.Yankee[/MENTION] - nice combination you have there!!
 
Great P/C list! One thing that could be a non-factor - 5er hitch. Goosebox leaves your best clear and totally a bolt-on with zero warranty debate from anyone involved and if within the TH's pin weight. Otherwise, there is the GenY goose that can be used at significantly higher loading, but they there's the debate over frame warranty because GenY refuses to pay to play.

BTW - [MENTION=29772]A.Texas.Yankee[/MENTION] - nice combination you have there!!
Thank you, and the Goosebox is a good one. Can't do it on my unit since Reese hasn't come out with a heavier duty unit, and one that will let me do 90° + turns (not often but have had to do it) without hitting the rail (which I just found out my new MORryde does ever so slightly). Would be nice to save some space in the bed.

Newly full timing in our 2021 Momentum 395MS-R with our tow pig being a 2021 F-450 KR
 
One other thing I haven’t seen mentioned is you can maneuver through more unlevel situations with a pull behind without having to worry about the trailer touching the top of your truck bed or tailgate due to relative motion between the two. On the other hand as mentioned you can turn tighter with a 5th wheel as long as the path is relatively level and it just tows better overall.


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IMO I would never get a TT toy hauler as they need to be setup properly, and either having or not having that much weight in the rear would drive me crazy trying to keep the WD hitch dialed in. This reason alone would steer me away from TT every time. Ask yourself this. What is the TT to fifth wheel RV accidents do you see?
 
We had the exact same debate before buying our 31G. We've had absolutely zero towing issues with the Weigh Safe hitch and the trailer in about every configuration it could be. With and without fresh tanks full. With and without our Honda Talon in the garage etc... We boondock almost exclusively and find the 12'1" height of the Momentum TT style toyhaulers much more comfortable to maneuver than the 13'6" height of the 5th wheels. Less weight also and obviously a much lower price point. If you can't tell I am completely sold on the Weigh Safe hitch. It has a TW gauge in the head so you know exactly what the tongue weighs in each configuration. There is a phone app that you input some dimensions into and that actual TW and the app tells you how much distributed weight is necessary to pull well. There is a large thru bolt in the head that operates a pivot for the weight bars so you simply turn the bolt until the gauge reads what the app says. We pull ours effortlessly at 70 mph. We do have a '17 Ram Cummins dually tow vehicle so I'm sure that come into play also. Overall we have been totally happy with the 31G and love the open truck bed for all those things it seems we can't do without.

 
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We had the exact same debate before buying our 31G. We've had absolutely zero towing issues with the Weigh Safe hitch and the trailer in about every configuration it could be. With and without fresh tanks full. With and without our Honda Talon in the garage etc... We boondock almost exclusively and find the 12'1" height of the Momentum TT style toyhaulers much more comfortable to maneuver than the 13'6" height of the 5th wheels. Less weight also and obviously a much lower price point. If you can't tell I am completely sold on the Weigh Safe hitch. It has a TW gauge in the head so you know exactly what the tongue weighs in each configuration. There is a phone app that you input some dimensions into and that actual TW and the app tells you how much distributed weight is necessary to pull well. There is a large thru bolt in the head that operates a pivot for the weight bars so you simply turn the bolt until the gauge reads what the app says. We pull ours effortlessly at 70 mph. We do have a '17 Ram Cummins dually tow vehicle so I'm sure that come into play also. Overall we have been totally happy with the 31G and love the open truck bed for all those things it seems we can't do without.


Great to hear!

Looks like they do make a WD hitch (didn't know that until I searched for it). Don't look like it has sway control other than friction from the bars but at least you can adjust tongue to get weight back on the front wheels.

https://www.weigh-safe.com/product/true-tow-weight-distribution-hitch/
 
Great to hear!

Looks like they do make a WD hitch (didn't know that until I searched for it). Don't look like it has sway control other than friction from the bars but at least you can adjust tongue to get weight back on the front wheels.

https://www.weigh-safe.com/product/true-tow-weight-distribution-hitch/

The Weigh Safe True Tow is an interesting piece of engineering as is the companion phone app. Here's a video review of both from my YouTube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi2dkWeXPhM
 
If it were me (and it was, about 2 years ago), I'd get a 5th wheel with a Goosebox or GenY hitch on it. You don't lose the truck bed, if you want the entire bed back, it's about 30 seconds (remove the ball) and weighs <10lbs. I pull mine in/out all the time, it's absolutely no hassle at all.

5'ers tow better. Full stop. The weight is distributed better across the truck/trailer, the angles/connection point is better. It's just better, full stop, when you're rolling down the highway. Bumper pull has advantages in some situations (very off level, for example) and also lets you use the entire truck bed, but you're giving up towing performance to get that.

They both have their applications; if you're going to pull it a lot, I'd start with "Can I make a 5'er work" and only if "no, no way that will work" would I go back to a TT. If you're not going to pull it around much, it matters a lot less (taking it 30 miles from your house to a campground you love a few times a year, is very different than jumping on the interstates and drive 100-1000's of miles a year).
 
Thanks everyone. Lots of good points. Like I said, not new to dealing with weight distribution, and have had to adjust it plenty. And the issue with the bed is I want it available while I'm towing the camper. I'm leaning towards the 29G. I've towed my current TT 12,000 miles in the last 3 years that's not a big concern.

As for the accidents you see with TTs, every one of them I've ever seen has been way too much trailer for the vehicle. Most are SUVs and 1/2ton trucks towing 32+ feet of trailer. Last one I saw on the side of the road, still had the tires of the truck spinning while it was on its' roof. That one didn't even have a WDH.
 
Thanks everyone. Lots of good points. Like I said, not new to dealing with weight distribution, and have had to adjust it plenty. And the issue with the bed is I want it available while I'm towing the camper. I'm leaning towards the 29G. I've towed my current TT 12,000 miles in the last 3 years that's not a big concern.

As for the accidents you see with TTs, every one of them I've ever seen has been way too much trailer for the vehicle. Most are SUVs and 1/2ton trucks towing 32+ feet of trailer. Last one I saw on the side of the road, still had the tires of the truck spinning while it was on its' roof. That one didn't even have a WDH.

We went with the 28G in 2019 due to the amount of garage space. I have always had a TT so cannot comment on the towing differences. We just got back from our annual trip to Utah (from WA state) with 2 quads in the the trailer and the truck bed full for 9 days of boondocking. When loading, I put a number of the items in the front bedroom to increase the tongue weight as well as putting the heavier quad in first. Even with the trailer gas tank and water tanks full, I have not had issues with hauling. We have the BlueOx system and to this point have not had any issues with swaying et al (ran into heavy winds from Oregon into Utah this past trip...no issues). For the most part been happy with the 28G, no issues towing. Looking forward to upgrading to a side by side at some point. Good luck on your decision.
 

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After moving to a 381m from a TT I would not go back to a bumper pull. The stability of a fiver is amazing vs the tt. Also you would be amazed at how much stuff still fits into a truck bed with the trailer attached. As long as it is clear of the hitch and below the bed rails you should be fine. We carry a 36 gallon rhino tote and several yellow lid black bins + a better built 62gallon transfer tank / toolbox in our 2019 DRW F350.
 
After moving to a 381m from a TT I would not go back to a bumper pull. The stability of a fiver is amazing vs the tt. Also you would be amazed at how much stuff still fits into a truck bed with the trailer attached. As long as it is clear of the hitch and below the bed rails you should be fine. We carry a 36 gallon rhino tote and several yellow lid black bins + a better built 62gallon transfer tank / toolbox in our 2019 DRW F350.

Marcot1 nailed it. I have had PU Campers and TT, but the setup in my signature is my first 5’er. I’ll never go back to a TT again, the 5’er is far superior! So much better handling on the Highway and in tight places. Weight distribution on the 5’er is also much better. I have one or two 550cc ATV’s in the garage, or a 700cc Side by side, depending on where I’m headed. If your looking at a 328, go for the M instead of the G. Lots more creature comforts in the 328M.
 

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