Need a wiring schematic/diagram for Reflection 313 RLTS 12volt 30amp Bussmann Breaker

[AlanEdie]

I need a wiring schematic/diagram for Reflection 313 RLTS 2 12volt 30amp Bussmann Breakers that are directly behind the battery box on the front right frame rail(underneath on the frame rail). One of my breakers was bad and I need to replace that breaker. But in an emergency measure to get 12volt circuits back on to the inside of the trailer, my dealer moved all of the 12 volt circuit wires from the failed breaker to the remaining good breaker. I am having a new breaker shipped(2 day rush) to me but we are now traveling and I do not know how the dealer service moved the wires and which wires to move back once I install the new breaker.

If anyone has a wiring diagram specifically for the Reflection 313 RLTS OR can crawl under theirs and take a photo of the 2 12v 30amp breakers and wiring o them I would greatly appreciate it.


Thank you Alan

 

[Cate&Rob]

Hi Alan,

Grand Design has refused to supply wiring diagrams . . . since forever.
I specifically questioned this at the Rally this past summer and was told by Grand Design executives that wiring diagrams do not exist. I still don't believe this. Your best bet is to get someone with the same trailer as yours, to take a picture.

Rob

 

[2825Matheny]

12VDC Electrical

Not sure if this will help.
I felt the workmanship and basically how the 12VDC was managed was not very good so I completely re-done all the connectors on the #6AWG cables.
I added a fuse block to do away with all the in-line fuses and powered the coach and the fuse block after the battery disconnect.
Now the only things that are actually connected to my battery when the battery disconnect is off is power going to the hydraulic system and the electric brakes.
I never was able to determine what some of the wires were for.
Overall, I just cleaned up what was a pretty messy install.
The attached schematic was after I made these changes, but it may give you some insight about what is in your rig.
Best wishes.
UPDATE 06.FEB.2016
The only parts I added were the fuse block and the POS 12VDC post.
The fuse block #FPATC9 ordered from http://www.ceautoelectricsupply.com/fuseholders.html
The POS 12 VDC post #38STUDRED was also ordered from http://www.ceautoelectricsupply.com/powerdistribution.html#JunctionStuds
Other fuse blocks are available and a popular choice are Blue Sea Systems ST Blade Fuse Block which can be bought on amazon.

 

[AlanEdie]

Grand Design 12 v Bussmann Breaker wiring/ Sloppy Engineering/Poor Quality

Thank you for the reply............

Yes, the Grand Design factory wiring and location of those 12 v Bussmann Breakers is completely unacceptable when I found out where they were and how they were wired on my 2015 Reflection 313 RTLS. What the heck was Grand Design thinking when they located these breakers under the frame rail (under the trailer) exposed to the weather...yeah they have covers...but they are crumby covers that will fail in a year or maybe sooner. This is sloppy engineering and not a Grand Design.....I am beginning to wonder about the quality of Grand Design.

These breakers should have at least been located in the very accessible and dry storage compartment directly above where they are now. This situation is an 'accident waiting to happen' .... and it has already happened to me and I am not a Happy Camper at all.

I don't have the time available to do it now, but I am going to correct this sloppy engineering work by Grand Design and get some quality 12v Blue Sea Breakers and locate them in my dry storage compartment. Grand Design should be ashamed of themselves for putting out a product like this..

 

[RamGunner]

Hi Alan,
Grand Design has refused to supply wiring diagrams . . . since forever.
I specifically questioned this at the Rally this past summer and was told by Grand Design executives that wiring diagrams do not exist. I still don't believe this.

I think the issue is that the diagrams they have show an overview "this device is connected after a fuse in this box", but there isn't a standard to say "run this wire 6" in from the edge of the trailer 28' from point a to point b". It seems that RV manufacturers also consider a lot of things "proprietary" and let that feeling of secrecy prevent them from sharing much. In all honesty, I can't say that there is anything really "proprietary" to these trailers - other than the fact that when it comes to Grand Design they generally seem to take more pride in their work, and they really do care more about the customer.

The cabinets and details around the slide-outs are most likely a design specific to Grand Design (and are generally much nicer than the competition), and the layout is certainly proprietary to them. Other than that, the construction methods and components used are all pretty much the same across the industry.

What I'd like to see are at least some rough diagrams, a "typical" diagram showing the overall layout behind the walls and the underside with rough measurements showing locations of tanks, pipes, wiring, etc. One looking from the top down, and one or two looking from the left and/or right. Perhaps one set showing pipes/tanks, another showing wiring. I think most people could understand a "typical" diagram and that your specific RV may not meet those exact measurements.

If they provided that in the owners manual, it would be fantastic. It would be another thing to set them above the rest in the industry, and wouldn't really give away anything truly secret.

 

[AlanEdie]

Thank you for you reply........
I would love to look at the attachment that you included. But I keep getting the msg "you do not have permisson to view these images" ?????? And I am logged in with my forum ID and I can view other people's forum images. Not sure why I cannot view yours?? I do plan to also completely re-work Grand Design's very poor 12V Bussmann breaker wiring and use quality Blue Sea 12 v breakers and breaker panel and relocate the breakers & wiring to a dry area in my front storage compartment which is directly above where they are now.

 

[minnow101]

You have to be a paid subscriber to access that. It's $12.

 

[mbaker]

Thank you for you reply........
But I keep getting the msg "you do not have permisson to view these images" ??????

You need to become a "Site Sponsor" $12 a year.

Milton

 

[mbaker]

If they provided that in the owners manual, it would be fantastic. It would be another thing to set them above the rest in the industry, and wouldn't really give away anything truly secret.

What could be "secret", remove a panel and there it is. I think they just want to give the assemblers the ability to be as 'creative' as they want (why use a 20' wire when four 5' pieces will do )

Milton

 

[AlanEdie]

Site Sponsor $12 year???????????????????????????????

You need to become a "Site Sponsor" $12 a year.

Milton

OK, I give up!! Where do you find the information on becoming a site sponsor???? Is the Grand Design Owners web site run and owned by Grand Design , Inc or who???????????????

 

[minnow101]

Go to "Settings" located on upper right of the screen. When that screen comes up look at the left side of that page. Scroll down to "My Settings" and you'll see "Paid Subscriptions". Click on that and you can sign up there.

 

[Dave and Monica]

OK, I give up!! Where do you find the information on becoming a site sponsor???? Is the Grand Design Owners web site run and owned by Grand Design , Inc or who???????????????

The Owner's Forum is privately owned/managed by another GD camper owner like ourselves, Chris. He charges a membership fee of $12 per year to cover the operating cost otherwise we'd see things like google ads as used on other sites. If you don't have membership you won't have full privileges on the forum.

Dave

 

[Barbara & Dave]

This is purely speculation on my part...

RV assembly seems to be a mixture of automotive and building practices. (Is black hot or ground? for example.)

We've all probably seen house plans, including the electrical plans. They'll show a switch somewhere on a wall, a fixture in the middle of the room, and a swoopy line between them. It's up to the worker to decide how to route the wire.

RVs appear to be wired the same way. As another poster said, "Connect points A and B, however you want."


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[AlanEdie]

This is purely speculation on my part...

RV assembly seems to be a mixture of automotive and building practices. (Is black hot or ground? for example.)

We've all probably seen house plans, including the electrical plans. They'll show a switch somewhere on a wall, a fixture in the middle of the room, and a swoopy line between them. It's up to the worker to decide how to route the wire.

RVs appear to be wired the same way. As another poster said, "Connect points A and B, however you want."


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I would be very happy if the RV Mfg just gave you the 'Point A and Point B'. They don't even do that. Well, I am going to be fair to them, as I have asked Grand Design rep to give me details on how my 12 volt / 30 amp Bussmann breakers are wired so that I can correct the 'emergency wiring switchero' that my dealer did last week in order to get 12volts inside my RV(slides,etc. again). I really do not think that is asking too much.

****If they don't provide that information, my opinion of Grand Design will take a big downhill slide and I will have severe 'buyers remorse'.

**** I can probably figure the 2 Bussmann 12volt breaker wiring out myself from some information provided from people on this site (Thank goodness for this site and the wonderful people on it!!!!!) and my voltmeter. But, I think it would be appropriate and good business practice for Grand Design to provide this information.

****We will see how cooperative Grand Design is........I will let everyone know as soon as I here from them....should be this coming week.

 

[bigdawg5565]

Not sure if this will help.
I felt the workmanship and basically how the 12VDC was managed was not very good so I completely re-done all the connectors on the #6AWG cables.
I added a fuse block to do away with all the in-line fuses and powered the coach and the fuse block after the battery disconnect.
Now the only things that are actually connected to my battery when the battery disconnect is off is power going to the hydraulic system and the electric brakes.
I never was able to determine what some of the wires were for.
Overall, I just cleaned up what was a pretty messy install.
The attached schematic was after I made these changes, but it may give you some insight about what is in your rig.
Best wishes.

Could you list the parts you used to accomplish your wiring referb? Thanks.

 

[Miller7428]

I have a 2016 308BHTS Travel Trailer and after looking through it since I am one who likes to look at craftsmanship and when I started looking into the wiring I was very disappointed in how the wiring is all put together. I was disappointed to see a 50 amp service with only a 6 gauge wire coming from the battery when they could have used 1\0 cable for it and then used 4 gauge for other stuff.

The pathways and how they wired it are also not that great. I will give them credit for using romex at least for the power outlets.

I am upgrading the sound system in the TT and so running a car audio amp through the Furrion deck is nice as well as adding a sub. The speakers that are in place from the factory are garbage and useless. They cost about $3 per speaker for the company to add these into the system. I have replaced the two interior speakers with Kenwood 6.5" coaxial speakers that sounded good off deck power but sound great on amp power. I also built brackets to hold an 8' x 1.5' electrical pipe under the trailer outside that I will hold 4 - Boss 6x9 4ways that I can remove when traveling and then connect when I am camping that will give me great sound outside.

I have removed my electric heater that's never been used as I wanted a place for the amp to hide as well as build a sub box for a shallow mount 12" sub and built a grill cover with pop on grommets to hold it into place. I will eventually build a sound bar that fits right under the tv in the little cubby area as well.

Has any one else done any electrical or stereo mods to there trailer????

 

[mbaker]

...4 - Boss 6x9 4ways that I can remove when traveling and then connect when I am camping that will give me great sound outside...

Could you publish your travel schedule online so we can avoid any parks you'd be in, one of the reasons we camp is for the peace and quiet

 

[Miller7428]

Could you publish your travel schedule online so we can avoid any parks you'd be in, one of the reasons we camp is for the peace and quiet

You don't have to worry about where I camp as its not around the retirement parks. I actually go out to the dunes and when I do stay in a state park I am very respectful of others. People automatically assume that because I am putting better sound in that I must be loud and what not. Not even remotely true. I enjoy music in clarity not through a Bluetooth speaker sitting on the table.

Thank you for such a positive response though!!!!

 

[mbaker]

... I actually go out to the dunes and when I do stay in a state park I am very respectful of others. People automatically assume that because I am putting better sound in that I must be loud and what not. Not even remotely true...

I understand. Check out Coral Pink Sand Dunes State Park in Utah, awesome.

Ben