People Can Be Brainless Pigs

[jjbbrewer]

It seems to me that the level of revulsion someone has to handling sewage is a pretty broad spectrum.

Most people agree that rinsing out your stinky slinky onto the campsite lawn by snaking your fresh water hose down inside is pretty disgusting. So is dumping the black tank onto the dump station concrete without a hose.

My horror story was was watching a guy at a dump station take the station supplied rinse hose and shove it up his black tank fitting a fair distance supposedly to rinse out his RV's tube. Of course the effluent spilled out on the concrete along with whatever product he was able to dislodge.

That said, I might be at the far end of the spectrum, though. I'm revolted when I see a dripping bayonet fitting whether at a campsite or dump station or someone using the same hose (or one with a tee) for fresh water and the black tank spray port. I have a separate hose for non-potable water that is screwed closed and stored separately. People staying in my RV (family or friends) are urged to follow a "no deuce" guideline and use the campground bathrooms or vault toilets for that to the greatest extent possible. For the dishes, we wipe all solids and grease off of eating implements with paper towels so virtually no solids go down the sink.

Is anyone else as bad as I am? My only point is that it seems what is horrible for one person might be just fine for someone else.

 

[kb0zke]

"Got one better. Had a guy pull up beside me at the dump station,( it had 2 spots to dump) then just opened up his dump valve without a stinky slinky and just let it go on the concrete and used the water hose to wash it into the drain. I have actually seen this happen 3 times over the 25 years camping." We saw this once, several years back. You can't unsee that.

 

[trailrydr]

.........follow a "no deuce" guideline and use the campground bathrooms or vault toilets for that to the greatest extent possible. For the dishes, we wipe all solids and grease off of eating implements with paper towels so virtually no solids go down the sink.

Is anyone else as bad as I am? .......

We too follow the "no deuce" rule in our 5er. This is a result from owning a Jayco TT back in the 90's that the toilet would always smell in storage no matter if we left water in the bowl or not, used tank deoderizer tablets and air deoderizers, or, how well we wanded it out each time we buttoned it up after use.

We also remove most everything from the dishes too prior to washing. In our opinion, it just makes for less smell opportunity while camping. And over the past 5 years in our 5er, the only smell we've had to contend with was from a bad air admittance valve..... not to mention the absence of "hershy crumbs" in our entire septic system.

Outside of all that who knows.... but your certainly not the only one.

 

[Bungy]

I'm no expert but I don't think a simple filter will remove pathogens

 

[trailrydr]

I'm no expert but I don't think a simple filter will remove pathogens

Agree.... at our stick built (on well water) we use a UV light tube to kill any bacteria after filtering. Have had our water tested before and after filter/UV.... and they do work.

 

[Riverbug]

We put in an undersink filter that is capable of filtering pond water into drinking water..so..no worries.

We also put a .2 micron filter under our sink so we can fill our Brita from the cold side and know it's been well filtered; that's after the dual filters that we send all water through before it enters the RV. But it's still disgusting to know someone might have just touched their poo hose to the spigot before we arrived.

 

[livinthelife]

It seems to me that the level of revulsion someone has to handling sewage is a pretty broad spectrum.

Most people agree that rinsing out your stinky slinky onto the campsite lawn by snaking your fresh water hose down inside is pretty disgusting. So is dumping the black tank onto the dump station concrete without a hose.

My horror story was was watching a guy at a dump station take the station supplied rinse hose and shove it up his black tank fitting a fair distance supposedly to rinse out his RV's tube. Of course the effluent spilled out on the concrete along with whatever product he was able to dislodge.

That said, I might be at the far end of the spectrum, though. I'm revolted when I see a dripping bayonet fitting whether at a campsite or dump station or someone using the same hose (or one with a tee) for fresh water and the black tank spray port. I have a separate hose for non-potable water that is screwed closed and stored separately. People staying in my RV (family or friends) are urged to follow a "no deuce" guideline and use the campground bathrooms or vault toilets for that to the greatest extent possible. For the dishes, we wipe all solids and grease off of eating implements with paper towels so virtually no solids go down the sink.

Is anyone else as bad as I am? My only point is that it seems what is horrible for one person might be just fine for someone else.

We use peroxide spray bottle (on both spigot and hose) before attaching our hose to the campground spigot. I also wipe down cooking utensils/plates before washing.

 

[BobinICT]

CG dump station. Me, doing the usual dump deal. Guy pulls up to the other side, it was a two hole two water supply setup. Cigarette just lit in his mouth. Pulls water and dump hose out of a compartment with all kinds of other items in there. No gloves, hooks sewer hose up, pulls the dump handle. Still the cig. Hooks up water hose to flush. Gets done, holds sewer hose up to let it run off into the dump hole. Shoves said hose back in the compartment along with the water hose. Didn't bother to wash hands, get in his truck still with said cig and leaves.

 

[Scott'n'Wendy]

What filter are you using?

Rainfresh UCS2 with carbon and ceramic filters

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[Riverbug]

After I posted this with the title (which I didn't give much thought to), I realized how harsh that title sounded and was afraid I was going to get pummeled for it. I should have titled it "People Can Be So Inconsiderate". But based on the responses and other stories, it appears either works fine and it didn't cause too much angst among the group. Still, I'll try to remain more diplomatic going forward.

 

[Hoopy Frood]

Actually comparing people to pigs is sometimes insulting to the pigs.

 

[Mike_Z]

I'm new to this and have only been out twice. I've been impressed with how respectful people have been to one another and the environment. It sounds like there is more to come on that front for us. But, I'll remain optimistic!

 

[Riverbug]

I'm new to this and have only been out twice. I've been impressed with how respectful people have been to one another and the environment. It sounds like there is more to come on that front for us. But, I'll remain optimistic!

That's absolutely true. The vast majority are respectful, friendly, and considerate. It's just that once you witness some of these things, it remains engrained forever, and you simply cannot unsee some things.

 

[Scott'n'Wendy]

I'm no expert but I don't think a simple filter will remove pathogens

They can and they do.
Pathogen is an extremely broad term. In the sense of this thread we are concerned about e. coli which is very filterable.

 

[trailrydr]

From the web on killing e.coli....​

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What water treatment technologies are best to treat e.coli?​

UV disinfection is the preferred method - no chemicals, cost effective, easy to maintain, does not change taste or smell, and is extremely effective. The UV dose needed to kill 99.99% of e.coli is approximately 6 mJ/cm2. Most residential UV units provide a UV dose of 30-40 mJ/cm2 - more than enough to kill e.coli and any other harmful pathogens.

Chlorine and Chloramine - this method can be very effective, but is difficult for individual owners to operate properly without under or over-dosing. Chlorine also changes the taste and smell of the water and there is a risk of formation of disinfection byproducts such as trihalomethanes and HAA. Due to a number of associated health risks, it is vitally important to regulate what chemicals we handle and put into our bodies, and this makes using chlorine treatment a less appealing option.

Membrane technologies such as reverse osmosis, nano-filtration, and ultrafiltration can work but it can be very difficult to monitor ongoing performance and effectiveness and there is a well-documented risk of bacteria growing through the membranes. Hence, we do not recommend this approach.

Cartridge filters, carbon filters, pitcher style filters (Eg. Brita) do not remove e.coli. e.coli are too small and simply pass through these filters. Filters containing activated carbon are actually a great place for bacteria to grow and multiply.

 

[Bungy]

They can and they do.
Pathogen is an extremely broad term. In the sense of this thread we are concerned about e. coli which is very filterable.

What about salmonella, legionella, giardia and cryptosporidium?

 

[Mike_Z]

That's absolutely true. The vast majority are respectful, friendly, and considerate. It's just that once you witness some of these things, it remains engrained forever, and you simply cannot unsee some things.

Oh I get it. Plus, I'm a retired cop from the West Side of Chicago...talk about not being able to unsee things! I do see inconsiderate people more often than I wish I would. My optimism is probably idealistic. That said, I'm still going to keep my fingers crossed that the good experiences I've had continue to be the norm! I hope it did not come across as discounting anyone's experiences...not the intention. It was more to share that I have been really pleased so far with the "lifestyle" choices my wife and I have made joining the RV-ing community, because of the people and many other reasons.

 

[WhittleBurner]

Oh I get it. Plus, I'm a retired cop from the West Side of Chicago...talk about not being able to unsee things! I do see inconsiderate people more often than I wish I would. My optimism is probably idealistic. That said, I'm still going to keep my fingers crossed that the good experiences I've had continue to be the norm! I hope it did not come across as discounting anyone's experiences...not the intention. It was more to share that I have been really pleased so far with the "lifestyle" choices my wife and I have made joining the RV-ing community, because of the people and many other reasons.

You'll find most RVrs are good respecting people. Over the many years we have camped/RVd the bad are few and far between. But when they're bad, they're bad!! Some are pigs while others will try to push limits of the CG rules or neighbors tolerance of stupidity and rudeness. Luckily those are not the norm.

I have noticed that since the RV boom there are a few more bad seeds than in years past.

 

[triplethreat]

That's absolutely true. The vast majority are respectful, friendly, and considerate. It's just that once you witness some of these things, it remains engrained forever, and you simply cannot unsee some things.

Yep, hard to forget a train wreck or dumpster fire.

 

[trailrydr]

You'll find most RVrs are good respecting people. Over the many years we have camped/RVd the bad are few and far between. But when they're bad, they're bad!! Some are pigs while others will try to push limits of the CG rules or neighbors tolerance of stupidity and rudeness. Luckily those are not the norm.

I have noticed that since the RV boom there are a few more bad seeds than in years past.

Very true on what I like to call "The Covid Boom Campers". IMO, through observation, they tend to be more neighborhood and less camper like. Gone are the days of respectful camping...... hoping for lots of used trailer sales in the near future!