Pin Weight - 31MB / 278BH / 298BH

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Hi All. I'm slowly trying to figure out what a move from our 2800BH to a 5th wheel looks like with our truck. Originally I thought for sure I'd have no issues getting a 35ft bunkhouse 5'er with my truck. But after doing some reading and chatting in another section of the forum...It looks like not even my 2500 duramax [on paper] can handle a 5th wheel like the ones I listed in the post title. My duramax has a payload cap. of 3400. We have about 650lbs of occupants and mabe 50lbs of misc crap. Thanks to the kids lol.

I understand now the 20 to 25% estimate of the GVWR of the trailer...but man that seems high. So I was hoping that anyone that has any of the trailers listed above might be able to provide me insight into their ACTUAL pin weight? We always ride with empty tanks but I understand the equation above is "worst case scenario." I get that it's a smart thing to do to make sure you are always covered. I Would just like to see if it's more realistic than the black and white figures or not.

Thanks!
 
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Before you decide on anything imo you need to take your truck to a scale with all of the people pets and gear going camping and weigh it

Take that number and subtract it from the GVWR on your door jamb
That will be what payload you have left for pin weight and a hitch
Before this you are just guessing

The 3400 you mentioned is likely much less
 
My dad has a 31mb and tows it with 2016 duramax and it has less payload then you do and it tows great and feels very safe. I would not have any problem towing that trailer with your truck. Most people on here say to tow a tent trailer you need a f450 but you might get buy with a 350 or 3500 if you pack light. LOL
 
My dad has a 31mb and tows it with 2016 duramax and it has less payload then you do and it tows great and feels very safe. I would not have any problem towing that trailer with your truck. Most people on here say to tow a tent trailer you need a f450 but you might get buy with a 350 or 3500 if you pack light. LOL

lol I kind of feel that way too. I'm all for being safe. That's why I jumped to the F250 when I originally purchsed instead of getting a 150. And then a year ago traded for the 2500 duramax. But some of the headroom in the calculations seem to be VERY inflated. Unless you 100% load your trailer to the max. Which in itself is a bad idea. So IDK
 
Most people on here say to tow a tent trailer you need a f450 but you might get buy with a 350 or 3500 if you pack light. LOL

I don’t believe anyone on here is saying this actually

Numbers are numbers.

If you are over GVWR you are over GVWR
Will anything bad happen? Who knows but facts are facts
If you don’t want to care about the numbers then go for whatever but manufacturers use those numbers
 
I have a 278bh and fully loaded I’m around 1980 on the pin. The 298bh and the 31mb are likely more but you are more than fine with your truck. 3500 is plenty of payload for any of those choices. Yes many people on forums are a bit over the top with playing it safe. Some want a 20% buffer for the weights. You can take your truck to the limit and you’ll be fine. These trucks are engineered to those numbers. You don’t need to worry about pushing your Duramax truck. It’s going to haul like a champ and be just fine. Once you start playing with some of the bigger Reflections and any Solitude you need to go with 4000+ payloads. Have fun in your search. I love my 278bh btw. I wish they made it in a full size Reflection but they don’t anymore. But I love the outside storage and I can fit it anywhere I want to go.
 
lol I kind of feel that way too. I'm all for being safe. That's why I jumped to the F250 when I originally purchsed instead of getting a 150. And then a year ago traded for the 2500 duramax. But some of the headroom in the calculations seem to be VERY inflated. Unless you 100% load your trailer to the max. Which in itself is a bad idea. So IDK
The weight quotes that [MENTION=870]Second Chance[/MENTION] was giving you are the safety numbers that are recommended to be followed. They are a combination of NTSB guidelines and truck manufacturer specifications.

Sure, you can tow a fully loaded 18,000 lbs fifth wheel with an F150. You won't make more than about 50-60 MPH (downhill) and it'll take you 10 times farther to stop the whole thing.

The CCC, or payload capacity on the door sticker is your guideline to safetly STOPPING the rig. There are several things that one can do to increase the safety stopping distance of a heavy trailer, but if for some reason you load the trailer up to the gills to carry everything, you will risk a number of things. Safety aside, you could bend the frame if you had to suddenly stop and the pin weight of the trailer, including the hitch, surpassed the CCC of the truck (it's highly unlikely, but a possibility).

In going over a bridge transition, the weight of the trailer coming down hard on the truck could bend or break the rear axle (this I've seen several times, bent the axle in the tube).

If you are in an accident, and the insurance adjustor determines that you were "severely overweight", they could deny the claim and drop you as a customer (I don't know of anyone this happened to personally but there are "stories" out there).

For me personally, I run about 100 lbs OVER my CCC in my truck and I'm in an F350 with about 3,400 lbs of CCC. My pin weight alone is 3,200. Keep in mind that we are full timers and have the washer and dryer in the closet, which is right over the pin. I am within 300 lbs of my GVWR for the coach and I'm sweating that. I am also within 50 lbs of my rear axle GVWR on the truck, which is worrysome.

To enhance stopping safety, every heavy trailer I have ever owned I have put electric-over-hydraulic disc brakes on them. On this trailer, I've only needed them once so far.

BTW, my coach is a 320MKS fifth wheel, I have a B&W Companion fifth wheel hitch that weighs about 150 lbs, I have a generator that weighs 100 lbs and all of my tools in the truck bed for a total of about 100 more lbs.

I do have the 8' bed and a crewcab 4x4, which removes about 600 lbs from the "advertised" CCC of the 2019 F350 SD.

I know my limits as a driver and know my rig very well. If I'm not comfortable with traffic, I will slow way down and let it pass me. I would rather not be the one that runs into someone because something on my rig failed and I could have prevented it.

I will say this as a last note: I have pulled 18 tons of hay on a 45' gooseneck flatbed trailer with a 1978 Ford F250. This truck was before the little yellow sticker and was never modified to handle that much weight. It pulled those 18 tons from the plains of Colorado, up I-70, into the mountains, to drop it off at a ranch near Grand Junction. I am just glad it wasn't DOWN I-70 as I never would have been able to stop it, as it was, we managed to get to only about 40 MPH going up. We did this 3 times a year. If we needed to stop that load in a hurry, we never would have been able to control it. That was back in the early 80's. Today, I would never try that as I do not want the liability of possibly injuring someone else due to my neglect.

So, the information that most of us give out is to help those who are asking (and others who are just reading) good, safe, information on towing; since we all share the same roads.

Safe travels.
 
[MENTION=18726]NB Canada[/MENTION]
I hear you and I totally agree. Safety is paramount to me. For my family and the other people around me. I think my frustration lies in the black and white nature of the "if you cant fully cover the worst case scenerio of loading your trailer to the gills you should get a smaller rig." So when you read about people more or less typically getting 2300 lbs of pin weight from a trailer...but the numbers that are being calculated for safety are another 1000 lbs above that....it makes people immediately, and possibly needlessly, mark off trailers that they could probably safely get and tow. Thats over 30% more weight than actually necessary. Just my thoughts. I am new to this forum and blown away by the knowledge and eagerness of others to provide insights and suggestions. So I am 100% not arguing or complaining. These are just my thoughts.

[MENTION=31858]ardvark16[/MENTION]
Ok thats great to hear thanks. So according to the numbers the 278bh using the 25% of GVWR would have a pin weight of 2750lbs. Which is a whole other ball game then 2k. That's just my point. I understand that I could prob get the pin weight that high....but...

[MENTION=30847]MoonShadow_1911[/MENTION]
Thanks for the reply. I totally get it and I agree with everything that you have said. Again though my frustration is with the AMNT of headroom that seems to be the required factor to immediately eliminate a trailer. The 25% and even 20% estimates seem to be way higher than what a lot of people actually see on this particular size of 5'er that I'm looking at. I have yet to see someone post that their 31mb has a pin weight of 3,000 lbs. Which is obviously more than I can do. However. In the 2200 or 2300 lb range I think Id be safe. And the difference between 3000 and 2300 is enough to change it from "oh no way...way too big...unsafe.." to "oh yeah that diesel 2500 can safely handle that no problem."
 
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Just did all the weights on our last trip. My 31MB ended up with a pin weight of 2,120. Fully loaded with a quarter of a tank of fresh water.
 
Trailers are a lot like people. They both tend to gain weight over time, as just one more thing after another gets put in them.
 
Hi All. I'm slowly trying to figure out what a move from our 2800BH to a 5th wheel looks like with our truck. Originally I thought for sure I'd have no issues getting a 35ft bunkhouse 5'er with my truck. But after doing some reading and chatting in another section of the forum...It looks like not even my 2500 duramax [on paper] can handle a 5th wheel like the ones I listed in the post title. My duramax has a payload cap. of 3400. We have about 650lbs of occupants and mabe 50lbs of misc crap. Thanks to the kids lol.

I understand now the 20 to 25% estimate of the GVWR of the trailer...but man that seems high. So I was hoping that anyone that has any of the trailers listed above might be able to provide me insight into their ACTUAL pin weight? We always ride with empty tanks but I understand the equation above is "worst case scenario." I get that it's a smart thing to do to make sure you are always covered. I Would just like to see if it's more realistic than the black and white figures or not.

Thanks!
Actual pin weight of our 2021 31MB fully loaded. Weekend warriors here not full timers so that makes a huge difference. Something else to keep in mind with this rig 2021 that is, the fresh water tank is behind the axles about 3 ft. The newer ones have a bigger tank and I have no idea if it is in the same place. I added a second fresh water tank behind the factory one and doubled my fresh water capacity so i know exactly where it is on our rig. It sits between the island and the dining room table under the floor. When water is added this will take away from your pin weight. We are fully loaded here and still have around 1300 lbs left of cargo carrying capacity for the trailer without any water. As it has been stated everyone carries different items and that can really change things in a hurry especially if you load up the front storage and the front pass through storage. Our truck is maxed out and if we ever get anything bigger, I would want a dually. With anything heavier such as the 311bhs or the monster 367bhs. We looked at all 3 and i quickly realized thise 2 were out of my comfort zone when i started looking at the weights. You should be fine as long as you scale everything and load it accordingly when it comes to the 31MB that is.

As it has been stated the numbers don't lie. Use the CAT scale. With the app installed and setup on your phone you literally do not even have to get out of the truck. Check out the YouTube videos demonstrating the app. This little Sherline scale is pretty handy when you need it [emoji6] Screenshot_20211121-184237_Gallery.jpg
 
31MB CAT scale

Hi All. I'm slowly trying to figure out what a move from our 2800BH to a 5th wheel looks like with our truck. Originally I thought for sure I'd have no issues getting a 35ft bunkhouse 5'er with my truck. But after doing some reading and chatting in another section of the forum...It looks like not even my 2500 duramax [on paper] can handle a 5th wheel like the ones I listed in the post title. My duramax has a payload cap. of 3400. We have about 650lbs of occupants and mabe 50lbs of misc crap. Thanks to the kids lol.

I understand now the 20 to 25% estimate of the GVWR of the trailer...but man that seems high. So I was hoping that anyone that has any of the trailers listed above might be able to provide me insight into their ACTUAL pin weight? We always ride with empty tanks but I understand the equation above is "worst case scenario." I get that it's a smart thing to do to make sure you are always covered. I Would just like to see if it's more realistic than the black and white figures or not.

Thanks!

CAT Scale weights attached. Truck starts out with me, fuel, hitch, tools, and other stuff of about 500 pounds. Truck without the trailer is 4700 front and 3500 rear.
With trailer goes to 4860 front and 5740 rear which puts the pin weight at about 2384 on my 2019 model 31MB. Trailer axles at 8580 makes the entire 31MB just under 11,000 going down the road. We don't keep a lot of heavy stuff in the camper but what we do store is mostly in the front storage, pass through basement area and under front bed. I don't see where you will make a 31MB much heavier than 2300 - 2500 on the pin. At least that is my experience with my year model, options, and loading.

CAT Scale.PNG
 
-2017 Chevy 2500HD SRW short bed diesel, Reese goose box and Andersen.
-2021 31MB with all options.
- 2 adults up front and 3 kids in the back seat.
- a couple 2KW generators and gas’s cans in the bed

I don’t know the actual pin weight due to the fact that we tow the trailer loaded and not. Either way the TV does just fine. I’ve towed all over the PNW and MT, WY mountains. Had to slam on the brakes with no issues. It holds speed over the passes just fine. The wife gets a kick out of watching drivers faces as we pass them on the uphill passing lanes pulling a fifth wheel.
 
We are around 2400 with our 324MBS and i have a Goose box that ends up cutting around 100#s off standard hitch package. We pull with a 2020 2500 and all of our mileage(8-10k) this year has been through the CO mountains. Are we at the sticker number max-yeah. Am I concerned, nope. The combo works well, and the truck is good going up and down the passes. Crosswind on the front range highways can be hefty, but the combo has never felt uncomfortable. I am way more scared of the obviously overloaded Suburban with a 30ft TT flying past me at 10 over the speed limit.

Would I prefer a dually-yes, but with proper loading and since you are asking the questions, you are going to be more cognizant of it.
 

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