Reflection 150 series + F-150?

Upon what do you base your claim?

F150’s have payload ratings from 1700 to 2100 pounds depending on what option packages are installed. The pin weight on a Reflection 226RK is less than 1200 pounds leaving between 500 and 900 pounds of payload. A bit of caution about what all is added to the F150 and how the trailer is loaded is needed if one wants to be sure to not go over payload, but it can be done.

Doug

We just bought a 226RK today.
We have a GMC half ton.
Right across the street from the trailer dealership just happens to be the truck dealer I bought my truck from, so based solely on this thread the wife and I walked over and spoke to the service department about are Dilemma.
We showed them all the spec’s on the trailer and we were told this shouldn’t be a problem based on or truck configuration.
I found it very interesting that they stated GMC under rates their trucks considerably.
They also said if we want the piece they would be happy to sell us another truck, the 2500 we looked at was 70-90k of course due to the pandemic lol.
 
Why would the service department say “ it should not be a problem “. Rather than looking at your ratings on your exact truck in the door?

They don’t own RV’s, just like the trailer salesperson.
 
Doug

We just bought a 226RK today.
We have a GMC half ton.
Right across the street from the trailer dealership just happens to be the truck dealer I bought my truck from, so based solely on this thread the wife and I walked over and spoke to the service department about are Dilemma.
We showed them all the spec’s on the trailer and we were told this shouldn’t be a problem based on or truck configuration.
I found it very interesting that they stated GMC under rates their trucks considerably.
They also said if we want the piece they would be happy to sell us another truck, the 2500 we looked at was 70-90k of course due to the pandemic lol.

You are looking at empty dry weights is why it works

Once the trailer is loaded with everything it will get heavy
Plus I guarantee your truck is heavier than it says on the door but IF you want to know a simple run over a cat scale with the combination will give the real numbers
I am sure it will not be an issue but it will be over the ratings on the truck. Both payload and rear axle
Ymmv
 
If you are not towing frequently and are making short trips on level roads, a half-ton may be OK. If you are taking long trips covering hundreds of miles, you need more truck.
 
You need to add in the weight of the 5th hitch and all other weights that will go in front of the axles on a 5er. Yeah an RK will help reduce some of the pin weight, but not pound for pound since the axles are not directly in the center.
A 5er will usually always handle better than a TT unless you have a TT with a premium WDH (PP-HA)
But that still doesn't account for payload in the truck.
I would add 500lbs to the dry weight of the 5er pin as a benchmark.
175 for hitch
90 for batteries
60 for propane
and the rest for gear in the front storage compartment and under the bed.
Add a 2nd AC and there's another 75lbs.
It all adds up.

So without the 2nd AC you have 325lbs for the basics and 175 for essentials.
1190lbs + 500lbs = 1690lbs.
1690lbs + 300lbs? for passengers =1990lbs.
3/4 ton territory.
 
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Here is a CAT scale ticket for a 260RD loaded for 5 days of camping attached to a F-150. The truck has a GVWR of 7050 lbs. Truck was full of gas, 2 adults and a dog.

As you can see the truck is about 400 lbs. over GVWR. The 3.5 EB pulled it like a champ, but pulling the trailer isn't the issue. Carrying the weight of a 5er with a half ton is.

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BTW, the pin weight was 1380 lbs.
 
Here is a CAT scale ticket for a 260RD loaded for 5 days of camping attached to a F-150. The truck has a GVWR of 7050 lbs. Truck was full of gas, 2 adults and a dog.

As you can see the truck is about 400 lbs. over GVWR. The 3.5 EB pulled it like a champ, but pulling the trailer isn't the issue. Carrying the weight of a 5er with a half ton is.

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BTW, the pin weight was 1380 lbs.

And over the rawr
 
If you are not towing frequently and are making short trips on level roads, a half-ton may be OK. If you are taking long trips covering hundreds of miles, you need more truck.

One mile or 1000's of miles...........overloaded is overloaded!
 
Doug

We just bought a 226RK today.
We have a GMC half ton.
Right across the street from the trailer dealership just happens to be the truck dealer I bought my truck from, so based solely on this thread the wife and I walked over and spoke to the service department about are Dilemma.
We showed them all the spec’s on the trailer and we were told this shouldn’t be a problem based on or truck configuration.
I found it very interesting that they stated GMC under rates their trucks considerably.
They also said if we want the piece they would be happy to sell us another truck, the 2500 we looked at was 70-90k of course due to the pandemic lol.

You are choosing to trust a guy paid to turn wrenches for a living (not disparaging, I am also that guy) versus the guy paid to evaluate and engineer a truck to handle a certain load. Honestly, do you think GM added all those extra rating numbers on your door sticker (that are not govt mandated btw) just for fun, knowing they didn’t actually matter? Sometimes we want people to affirm our decisions without considering what those individual’s qualifications actually are.

I’ve also heard the argument that ‘20 years ago we didn’t even know payload was a thing, and yet we survived’. Sure. But you also didn’t see C/K 1500s or F150s pulling trailers like this. And power is certainly no longer a limiting factor. Today the manufacturers tell you - they even certify what you can safely pull up and down the Eisenhower tunnel. Most of us have overloaded our trucks before. I don’t plan to do it with my family on board, when I’m supposed to be enjoying a vacation. If for no other reason than it sucks to drive haha

Congrats on the 226. I hope you travel light enough where your vehicle works and you are happy with it. Most of us don’t. Please report back your experiences either way.
 
I towed the Reflection 150 Series 260RD with a 2020 F-150 Ecoboost for several months. Payload on the truck's door sticker was 1,742 lbs. According to GD, the pin weight of the 260RD unloaded was about 1,200 lbs., leaving a little over 500 lbs. to play with. I never weighed the setup but am certain I was towing overweight. It always seemed to tow and stop just fine but I was constantly worried about safety and legal liability. About 2 months ago, I traded for a 2020 F-350 with the 7.3L gas engine. Payload on the new truck is about 4,040 lbs. so I no longer worry about any of the numbers. And the bed of that truck holds a lot more of the crap we like to drag along with us. I'm very happy with the entire setup and feel we made the right decision.
 
Why would the service department say “ it should not be a problem “. Rather than looking at your ratings on your exact truck in the door?

They don’t own RV’s, just like the trailer salesperson.

Okay I really ran the number’s taking into consideration Generator, dogs, everything thing else I was pulling out of the class A plus the wife (lol) and agree with everyone here stating the trailer is to heavy for a 1500 to pull safely.
After I figured out all the numbers, I have to say I am the proud owner of a 2500 HD 6.6L Duramax w/10speed Allison.
I should have more than I need.

Safe travels
 
Okay I really ran the number’s taking into consideration Generator, dogs, everything thing else I was pulling out of the class A plus the wife (lol) and agree with everyone here stating the trailer is to heavy for a 1500 to pull safely.
After I figured out all the numbers, I have to say I am the proud owner of a 2500 HD 6.6L Duramax w/10speed Allison.
I should have more than I need.

Safe travels

You won’t be sorry. It’s a great truck. Now we need some pictures please!

Congrats on your new truck!

Bill
 
You won’t be sorry. It’s a great truck. Now we need some pictures please!

Congrats on your new truck!

Bill

We pickup the Truck Wednesday, it just arrived at the dealership today.
The trailer is waiting on a few things like the second AC unit plus a few repairs we pointed out and scheduled to pickup the 20th if all goes according to plan.
We plan on purchasing the demo 18K auto slide.
So once we get it all together we will post some pictures
 
Okay I really ran the number’s taking into consideration Generator, dogs, everything thing else I was pulling out of the class A plus the wife (lol) and agree with everyone here stating the trailer is to heavy for a 1500 to pull safely.
After I figured out all the numbers, I have to say I am the proud owner of a 2500 HD 6.6L Duramax w/10speed Allison.
I should have more than I need.

Safe travels

Until you start looking at Solitudes. LOL.
You will really enjoy towing with your new truck. Diesels are a game changer.
 
Until you start looking at Solitudes. LOL.
You will really enjoy towing with your new truck. Diesels are a game changer.
We’re excited to start traveling so we hope this is all going to work great for us.
We’ve had many trucks however never a diesel, guess I have something to learn there as well.
Any comments on the Demco auto slide or recommendation on a generator
 
We just bought a 2024 GD 270BN and have towed it with our 2022 F150 Powerboost Supercrew Platinum with the max tow package and the 6.5 foot long bed. Truck's payload rating is 1320 and the pin weight is 1100. Trailer is 7500 pounds and 9995 max with cargo. We have the Roadmaster active suspension (RAS) which I believe can add at least a couple of hundred pounds to the payload capacity. No sag with trailer hooked up. This is right at the limit of what I would pull with this truck but it has been fine so far. Handles very well. We have towed it over 1000 miles so far with great results. I converted to a Gen-Y gooseneck hitch so that I don't have to have a fifth wheel hitch taking up space in the truck bed. The Powerboost has the 7.2 kw generator which powers the entire trailer with no issues which is fantastic. Acceleration and braking are both very good, but I may upgrade the trailer brakes to electric/hydraulic disc brakes like I have on my boat trailer just to have the best braking possible for mountains etc. The truck only gets 8-9 mpg towing, even though it gets over 20 on the highway by itself. Our main goal was to have a nice, quiet vehicle which would get good gas mileage to drive around in when not hooked up to the trailer. So we didn't want to go with a 250, 350 or diesel truck. But of course we had to stay at the lowest end of fifth wheels regarding pin weight and overall weight. Just my experience so far.
 
We just bought a 2024 GD 270BN and have towed it with our 2022 F150 Powerboost Supercrew Platinum with the max tow package and the 6.5 foot long bed. Truck's payload rating is 1320 and the pin weight is 1100. Trailer is 7500 pounds and 9995 max with cargo. We have the Roadmaster active suspension (RAS) which I believe can add at least a couple of hundred pounds to the payload capacity. No sag with trailer hooked up. This is right at the limit of what I would pull with this truck but it has been fine so far. Handles very well. We have towed it over 1000 miles so far with great results. I converted to a Gen-Y gooseneck hitch so that I don't have to have a fifth wheel hitch taking up space in the truck bed. The Powerboost has the 7.2 kw generator which powers the entire trailer with no issues which is fantastic. Acceleration and braking are both very good, but I may upgrade the trailer brakes to electric/hydraulic disc brakes like I have on my boat trailer just to have the best braking possible for mountains etc. The truck only gets 8-9 mpg towing, even though it gets over 20 on the highway by itself. Our main goal was to have a nice, quiet vehicle which would get good gas mileage to drive around in when not hooked up to the trailer. So we didn't want to go with a 250, 350 or diesel truck. But of course we had to stay at the lowest end of fifth wheels regarding pin weight and overall weight. Just my experience so far.
Really glad it’s working for you and not here to tell you to do anything different.

Curious if those actual weights are numbers you got from a scale? If not, don’t trust them.

Just to clarify a common myth, you can’t ’add payload’. It’s limited by things other than the springs and squat. You can make the package tow better which it sounds like you have done. (The exception to this is some of the larger trucks and especially 250/2500. You still can’t add payload, but you can likely go over the listed number safely as it’s ’paper limited’ for tax purposes - this is not true for 150 class trucks though, they have real engineering limitations)


This is great feedback, and IF those are actual numbers, even better.
 
Sorry to say this but you're way overloaded. UVW is closer to 8000 lbs.
Even dry the minimum hitch weight of 15% puts you at 1200 lbs. Add a couple batteries, propane, gear and you're way over your payload when you and whoever else climb in the truck.

Do yourself and your family a big favor and get a 3/4 ton or higher truck for safety reasons.

I'm not sure how you can justify towing that heavy of a 5th wheel with your truck.
 

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