Right Side Slide Problem

steaua1986

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I had some problems with my right side slide (2015 reflection 313rlts). Trying to open it while travel trailer was not quite level (I know, my bad), I heard something snapping and then the electrical slide motor started spinning freely. I was able to open the slide and then close it just fine manually so I assume there's nothing wrong with it mechanically. Since I can hear the electrical motor I assume it is not fried. I'm guessing there is a shear pin somewhere that snapped ... is this a right assumption? If yes, how hard is it to replace it and what size is it?

On a related note, looking into this issue, I noticed that the underbelly cover is held in place, besides all the self tapping bolts, by the stabilizing jacks system. Would I have to remove the jacks in order to remove that cover?

Thanks.
 
Thanks for the manual ... this is exactly what I needed to fix it.

There's another PDF I didn't put up b/c it's some other brand's and was hesitant to link it.
It's got some nice info in it on these slides.
If you search the internet: "slide out warranty technical guidance" it may show up
 
There's another PDF I didn't put up b/c it's some other brand's and was hesitant to link it.
It's got some nice info in it on these slides.
If you search the internet: "slide out warranty technical guidance" it may show up

Thanks for the info ... really good details on this one. Is there any trick to easily remove the underbelly cover to reach motor? Or it's pretty much start unscrewing everything, including the stabilizing jacks?
 
Thanks for the info ... really good details on this one. Is there any trick to easily remove the underbelly cover to reach motor? Or it's pretty much start unscrewing everything, including the stabilizing jacks?

Yeah, it's unscrew & lower the coroplast, it's hard to get it all down out of the way.
On mine, for the right hand slide out, it's motor/gear is mounted a few feet from the left hand side.
I've been under mine b/c of an original repair the RV dealer did for the 1st owners & I've been seeing why they did what they did & to straighten out the motor/gear's bent brackets.
They must have lowered the underbelly's coroplast on the left side to see where the motor/gear is & then sliced a 10"W by 22" access hatch witht one end left attached so they could bend the flap down & work on the actuator from there.
The motor/gear there is attached to the long tube that has the ACME screw inside that pushes/pulls the slide in & out.

I's post some pictures, but don't know if you could see them since you're not a site sponser by paying the $12 a year for the owner's site.

Gene
 
There's another PDF I didn't put up b/c it's some other brand's and was hesitant to link it.
It's got some nice info in it on these slides.
If you search the internet: "slide out warranty technical guidance" it may show up

You are welcome to put links on the forum without fear of copyright violations. The only issue is if someone cuts and pastes actual text or photos from other sites without permission.

Jim
 
Thanks for the info ... really good details on this one. Is there any trick to easily remove the underbelly cover to reach motor? Or it's pretty much start unscrewing everything, including the stabilizing jacks?

Removing the stabilizing jacks isn't too hard. Run the jacks down until they are touching the ground. Remove wiring from switch going to the jacks. Place jumpers between jack wiring and switch. This is to provide enough slack to allow the jacks to drop. Remove the 2 bolts on either side. Raise the jacks. This will drop the jacks from the frame. Steady them as they go down so they don't tip over. An assistant could help here but I did it myself easily. When the assembly is on the ground, disconnect jumpers and drag it out of the way. About a 15 minute job. Reverse procedure to reinstall.

Drop the spare, remove self tapping screws holding coroplast until you get to the slide motors. Tip - have new self tapping screws handy. Some of mine broke off when removing. I replaced all my screws and washers with stainless steel and a little dip in anti-sieze.
https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Washer-Drilling-Lengths-Listing/dp/B0128T2KJ4
https://www.amazon.com/Powers-Faste...ocphy=9033263&hvtargid=pla-310273153899&psc=1
 
Removing the stabilizing jacks isn't too hard. Run the jacks down until they are touching the ground. Remove wiring from switch going to the jacks. Place jumpers between jack wiring and switch. This is to provide enough slack to allow the jacks to drop. Remove the 2 bolts on either side. Raise the jacks. This will drop the jacks from the frame. Steady them as they go down so they don't tip over. An assistant could help here but I did it myself easily. When the assembly is on the ground, disconnect jumpers and drag it out of the way. About a 15 minute job. Reverse procedure to reinstall.

Drop the spare, remove self tapping screws holding coroplast until you get to the slide motors. Tip - have new self tapping screws handy. Some of mine broke off when removing. I replaced all my screws and washers with stainless steel and a little dip in anti-sieze.
https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Washer-Drilling-Lengths-Listing/dp/B0128T2KJ4
https://www.amazon.com/Powers-Faste...ocphy=9033263&hvtargid=pla-310273153899&psc=1

Thanks ... I'll give it a try this weekend. One of my screws broke off as well earlier. On the ones that broke, did you remove the broken piece from the frame or just installed the new screws next to it (basically drill a new hole)?
 
If enough of the screw was exposed I tried to grab it with vice grips and twist it out. Not always successful. Then it's time for a new hole.
 
Hello all! My last two road trips in my 2016 solitude 375re my kitchen dining slide is out about 2 inches on the bottom upon arrival of my destination. They seem to work fine going in and out and do retract all the way when I pull them in. I hope this does not turn into a real big issue before I can have it checked out. Any thoughts? Trana


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Following up ... I was able to access the motor without completely removing the underbelly cover. Side note, what struck me first was the incredible sloppy wiring job. I'll see if I can tie them somehow before I put everything back.
Motor is fairly accessible and I removed the cover in place. It looks like the plastic gears are stripped and I'll have to replace them. I'm wondering if I can find the gears as separate parts or will I have to replace the whole assembly.
Attaching a pictures with wiring, motor and gears.
 

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Following up ... I was able to access the motor without completely removing the underbelly cover. Side note, what struck me first was the incredible sloppy wiring job. I'll see if I can tie them somehow before I put everything back.
Motor is fairly accessible and I removed the cover in place. It looks like the plastic gears are stripped and I'll have to replace them. I'm wondering if I can find the gears as separate parts or will I have to replace the whole assembly.
Attaching a pictures with wiring, motor and gears.

Gears, check this thread - post 35 http://www.sunlineclub.com/forums/f71/slide-room-wouldn-t-extend-sheared-pins-10564-3.html
http://www.dyersonline.com/ap-products-slide-out-18-1-venture-replacement-53-teeth-gear-set.html
https://www.rvupgradestore.com/Lippert-Venture-Motor-18-1-Replacement-Gear-Set-p/045-191072.htm
http://forums.goodsamclub.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/23302704.cfm
 

Really good information, I was able to find all gears with the exception of the little black one (10 teeth) that goes on the motor shaft. I'm wondering if that just doesn't sell separate and I would need to buy the whole motor? Also, found a pretty cheap assembly ($240). I'm wondering if the $140 difference it's worth the hassle (and risk that I won't be able to fix it right) to buy the gear parts (which are almost $100 anyway).
 
Good price on the assembly. Since it's a pain getting under there, I'd get the assembly too. I saw the price range started $637 list at AP Products, $550 at LCI, then downward to what you found.
edit: I also found there are 3 versions of the assembly.
https://pdxrvwholesale.com/products/venture-manufacturing-actuator-slide-out-motor-8910-81a

Gene

Thanks for the link ... that's a really good price. Doing some more research, the more I read, the more I get confused. If I go by the part number on what I have installed (168956), that's a 18:1 motor. Now, checking the GD parts website and selecting my year and model (2015 Reflection 313RTLS), actuator is shown as 170003 : ACTUATOR-40" W/ HIGH SPEED MOTOR 28:1 VENTURE.
So ... who do I trust, my own TT or GD? Do I replace my broken part with the same part I have now (18:1), or do I go with the manufacturer's parts website which says 28:1 motor (which seems to be Lippert part # 136373)?
 
... Now, checking the GD parts website and selecting my year and model (2015 Reflection 313RTLS), actuator is shown as 170003 : ACTUATOR-40" W/ HIGH SPEED MOTOR 28:1 VENTURE.
So ... who do I trust, my own TT or GD? Do I replace my broken part with the same part I have now (18:1), or do I go with the manufacturer's parts website which says 28:1 motor (which seems to be Lippert part # 136373)?

Yeah, why couldn't our gearbox have the gear ratio labeled like some I've seen for sale. I'll have to open mine & count gears to know the ratio.
I was working on my RH slide yesterday on the RV dealer's half baked fix for slide actuator stop can hitting cross shaft, this was done for the 1st owners.
I should have pulled the motor/gearbox down & opened it. Since I'm still working on it I will. If it's 18:1 that's what I'd replace it with.

edit: Opened my RH slide gearbox, it's 18:1 per having 25 teeth on 2nd white gear and 53 teeth on the clutch gear.
DSCF2535.jpgDSCF2536.jpg

Venture Data Sheet http://www.venturemfgco.com/uploadfiles/image/file/RVSO-Techincal-Data.pdf shows:
18:1 gearbox has 1200 lb clutch
28:1 gearbox has 1500 lb clutch

Options:
1 - Go with GDRV Parts, 28:1 is listed for my Reflection also.
2 - Call Venture Mfg with SN of the gearbox to get their answer.
Remembered this thread from last year, that's what he did: https://www.granddesignowners.com/forum/showthread.php/12230-Slide-Out-Motor-Repair
3 - Count the gears to figure the gear ratio - 191072 18:1 lists as having 53 tooth clutch assembly, 191073 28:1 lists as having 61 tooth clutch assembly
Also noted that the 18:1 & 28:1 inner gears are different sizes 2-1/4" inner gear, 2.5" inner gear - http://approducts.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=48_59

On these ratio calcs I'm just going off the pictures for these gears sets, so I may not have the tooth count right.

Your photo looks to have 25 teeth on the white plastic gear.

I had to go read how to do this for a gear train - https://woodgears.ca/gear/ratio.html https://www.wikihow.com/Determine-Gear-Ratio
18:1 ratio = 8.5 x 2.12 = 18.02:1
1st gear train: driver gear on the motor shaft is 10 teeth, 85 teeth on the driven gear (per JBarca's thread), ratio 85/10 = 8.5:1
2nd gear train: driver gear 25 teeth, driven clutch gear 53 teeth, ratio 53/25 = 2.12:1

28:1 ratio = 8.5 x 3.21 = 28.8:1 so in the 28:1 ballpark.
1st gear train: driver gear on the motor shaft is 10 teeth, 85 teeth on the driven gear, ratio 85/10 = 8.5:1
2nd gear train: driver gear 18 teeth, driven clutch gear 61 teeth, ratio 61/18 = 3.21:1

Lippert And Venture 18:1 Motor Replacement Gear Set 191072 https://pdxrvwholesale.com/products/venture-181-motor-replacement-gear-set-191072
(1) EA A-8504-01 18:1 2nd Reduction Gear
(1) EA 8579-11 18:1 Clutch Assembly (53 tooth)

Lippert And Venture 28:1 Motor Replacement Gear Set 191073
https://pdxrvwholesale.com/products?keywords=venture+28:1+motor+replacement+gear+set
(1) EA A-8504-02 28:1 2nd Reduction Gear
(1) EA 8579-11V 28:1 Clutch Assembly (61 tooth)
 
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