Taking Matters Into My Own Hands (Frame Flex Wise)

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After reading way too many posts about Solitude frame problems and watching too much YouTube, I did a thorough (as I could) analysis of the health of my frame on my 2021 310GK. I took several videos from multiple angles of the pin dropping on the hitch as well as the bedroom fixtures to see if anything was moving. I looked at every area that was mentioned as a sign of failure such as cracks, wrinkled decals, and broken filon screws. Knock on wood, I don't see any overt signs of a problem.

My next thought was, of course, what if anything can I do to prevent problems. Not wanting to drop the filon to check for cracks (yet) I decided that the one best thing I could do is to make the change that seems to be in the TSB going around, upgrade the bolts inside the bedroom (upper deck in my case). For anyone wanting to take on this task for themselves, this is what I did. Decide for yourself if you should do this.

I started with the easy side under the dresser. The dresser can be removed by taking out the drawers and the 20 or so screws holding it to the wall and floor. Next was the carpeted box that I had under the dresser. I thought I was going to have to remove the billion staples from the carpet to get at the screws, but GD seems to pre-build these boxes with the carpet and screw them in after. It just takes a bit of feeling around to see where the screws are that hold the box to the wall. Once it was removed, the steel box beam from the upper deck that attaches to the side wall is exposed as shown below.
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I have seen/heard several stories about missing bolts in this area. I had one visible bolt missing, and they were all the standard 3/8 x 3 inch from the factory. The TSB has the dealers swapping these out with 1/2 x 3 lag bolts. The really puzzling thing to me was that the holes in the steel box section are drilled for 1/2 inch bolts, thus allowing the 3/8 bolts to move around in the hole and eventually loosen up as some of mine had. The old bolts are shown next to a new one below.
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I tried one as a test. Drilled the hole in the sidewall out carefully with a drill appropriate for a 1/2 inch lag, and put the new bolt in. It felt snug and tightened up very nicely. Now I was off and running, I had to do the rest. I had read that there was an accessible hole in the closet near the plumbing for the WD. Sure enough, after removing a section of the raised floor in the closet, I saw the empty hole and added a bolt. When drilling the holes, make sure not to go deeper then the bolt (3") or risk drilling through the outer wall!
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Now onto the bed side. This wasn't as bad as I thought. After removing the platform, there were only five screws holding the head of the frame to the slide. After removing those I was able to slide the entire assembly towards the dresser to gain access to the panel in front of that box beam. It wasn't apparent to me how that panel was held on so I opted to cut access holes in the panel with an oscillating saw. I was able to estimate where the bolts would be based on the measurements from the dresser side. It was quite close.
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There was one bolt missing on this side as well. It was the aft-most bolt in this case. More of the factory bolts were loose on this side, I assume because the slide-out hole allows more movement. With the exception of one bolt access hole, all of them will be concealed by the bed assembly, so making the job look nice wasn't a concern. It was very satisfying how great the bolts felt after tightening them.
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I wanted to document this for anyone else crazy enough to do this. It was daunting and took a good 6 hours to do. I don't trust a dealer to do this properly or in a timely fashion. I have this vision of them using an impact to tighten the bolts and stripping them all out like the factory seems to do. I hand-tightened every one. I hope this is helpful to someone out there. I feel as though I have at least done all I can do structurally to avoid problems. If I drop the filon and make improvements in there I will document that as well.

Best,

Brian
 
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Thanks for posting this Brian. This is a good example of what makes this forum great. You were concerned about an issue and took the fix into your own hands. The great part is that you documented it so clearly that "anyone else crazy enough to do this" can follow what you did and finish the same project themselves. And, as you say, better than the dealer would have done.
 
Great write-up. I would add that GD repair places a bead of epoxy or SikaFlex the length of the threads on the 1/2" bolts.
 
Great write-up. I would add that GD repair places a bead of epoxy or SikaFlex the length of the threads on the 1/2" bolts.

I did consider some adhesive, couldn't decide if it was a good idea or not. I think the fact that the bolts won't move in the frame holes under a shear load is a significant improvement. If I could have bought 3 1/4 long bolts I would have added a flat and lock washer. I may just make it a yearly task to spot check them. The vast majority of the 3/8 bolts were still tight after 3 years and about 12,000 miles.
 
Thanks for posting this Brian. This is a good example of what makes this forum great. You were concerned about an issue and took the fix into your own hands. The great part is that you documented it so clearly that "anyone else crazy enough to do this" can follow what you did and finish the same project themselves. And, as you say, better than the dealer would have done.

I must admit, I was inspired by the All About RVs YT channel.
 
After reading way too many posts about Solitude frame problems and watching too much YouTube, I did a thorough (as I could) analysis of the health of my frame on my 2021 310GK. I took several videos from multiple angles of the pin dropping on the hitch as well as the bedroom fixtures to see if anything was moving. I looked at every area that was mentioned as a sign of failure such as cracks, wrinkled decals, and broken filon screws. Knock on wood, I don't see any overt signs of a problem.

My next thought was, of course, what if anything can I do to prevent problems. Not wanting to drop the filon to check for cracks (yet) I decided that the one best thing I could do is to make the change that seems to be in the TSB going around, upgrade the bolts inside the bedroom (upper deck in my case). For anyone wanting to take on this task for themselves, this is what I did. Decide for yourself if you should do this.

I started with the easy side under the dresser. The dresser can be removed by taking out the drawers and the 20 or so screws holding it to the wall and floor. Next was the carpeted box that I had under the dresser. I thought I was going to have to remove the billion staples from the carpet to get at the screws, but GD seems to pre-build these boxes with the carpet and screw them in after. It just takes a bit of feeling around to see where the screws are that hold the box to the wall. Once it was removed, the steel box beam from the upper deck that attaches to the side wall is exposed as shown below.
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I have seen/heard several stories about missing bolts in this area. I had one visible bolt missing, and they were all the standard 3/8 x 3 inch from the factory. The TSB has the dealers swapping these out with 1/2 x 3 lag bolts. The really puzzling thing to me was that the holes in the steel box section are drilled for 1/2 inch bolts, thus allowing the 3/8 bolts to move around in the hole and eventually loosen up as some of mine had. The old bolts are shown next to a new one below.
View attachment 50827
I tried one as a test. Drilled the hole in the sidewall out carefully with a drill appropriate for a 1/2 inch lag, and put the new bolt in. It felt snug and tightened up very nicely. Now I was off and running, I had to do the rest. I had read that there was an accessible hole in the closet near the plumbing for the WD. Sure enough, after removing a section of the raised floor in the closet, I saw the empty hole and added a bolt. When drilling the holes, make sure not to go deeper then the bolt (3") or risk drilling through the outer wall!
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Now onto the bed side. This wasn't as bad as I thought. After removing the platform, there were only five screws holding the head of the frame to the slide. After removing those I was able to slide the entire assembly towards the dresser to gain access to the panel in front of that box beam. It wasn't apparent to me how that panel was held on so I opted to cut access holes in the panel with an oscillating saw. I was able to estimate where the bolts would be based on the measurements from the dresser side. It was quite close.
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There was one bolt missing on this side as well. It was the aft-most bolt in this case. More of the factory bolts were loose on this side, I assume because the slide-out hole allows more movement. With the exception of one bolt access hole, all of them will be concealed by the bed assembly, so making the job look nice wasn't a concern. It was very satisfying how great the bolts felt after tightening them.
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I wanted to document this for anyone else crazy enough to do this. It was daunting and took a good 6 hours to do. I don't trust a dealer to do this properly or in a timely fashion. I have this vision of them using an impact to tighten the bolts and stripping them all out like the factory seems to do. I hand-tightened every one. I hope this is helpful to someone out there. I feel as though I have at least done all I can do structurally to avoid problems. If I drop the filon and make improvements in there I will document that as well.

Best,

Brian

Good stuff, Thanks, I appreciate the time and trouble that youve taken to show what youve done. Im watching mine and may have to go in. This will help a lot!
 
I also have a Solitude and would love to see the mentioned TSB, Any chance you could share it either here or PM me with the details?

Thanks,

John
 
I second the Sika Flex but I would recommend 3m 5200 . Permanent adhesive sealant.
 
One could tack weld the head of the bolts to keep them from backing out.
 
Great write up - thanks for sharing!

I contacted GD a couple months ago asking if there’s anything to do as a preventative measure (I’m not seeing any flex symptoms). They basically said that not all units are experiencing this issue but I could take it to a dealer for inspection if I wanted. As mentioned, I don’t like the thought of any dealer digging into this, especially if there’s no obvious evidence of a problem. I have about 35K’ish miles on this unit and my 5 years will be up next summer. Fingers crossed…..
 
Great write up - thanks for sharing!

I contacted GD a couple months ago asking if there’s anything to do as a preventative measure (I’m not seeing any flex symptoms). They basically said that not all units are experiencing this issue but I could take it to a dealer for inspection if I wanted. As mentioned, I don’t like the thought of any dealer digging into this, especially if there’s no obvious evidence of a problem. I have about 35K’ish miles on this unit and my 5 years will be up next summer. Fingers crossed…..
My pleasure sharing.

I am in the exact same boat. No visible issues, but I don't want anyone tearing into it other than me at this point. Since my 5 years will be up next year as well, I'm really considering dropping the filon myself and having a look.

We just had IS put on at Morryde. Now we are so deep into this thing we need to keep it going for a long time.
 
@brandtb1919
thanks for your post and if you don't mind I'm going to tack on to your post so owners can find information all in one post. We are taking apart the bedside slide and replacing our Lag Bolts. This because I just noticed on our left streetside we are getting a little flame flex when our truck is hooked to the pin. It closes up when unhooked. The right curbside is ok no indication of flex. It's just starting and I got to get in contact with GDRV. This was the only place on the street drivers side I noticed the flex starting, my heart just sank when I noticed it. I just hope the frame isn't broken.
 

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Bryan's post got me started so here's how I got to our Lag Bolts on the left, drivers streetside. Be careful tearing into this area if you have plumbing for a clothes washer up in front. If you go sawing into the board you'll cut right into the water lines and the 1 1/2 inch drain pipe. I cut our carpet from the board and folded the it up, then I could get under the huge staples along the top and pry them out. In a couple places they attempted to put screws at the bottom of the board angled into the floor. Once you get the staples out the board will come out. I sectioned the board into two pieces being very careful not to cut into the water lines. I'll put it back together with screws.

I had to take the bottom of the under bed storage compartment out anyway because it was coming apart. I will fix it when I start putting it back together. In the last pic you can see the empty first lag bolt hole. This is the first hole back from the nose of the rig.
 

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We had two Lag Bolts missing out of five on this side of the RV and the ones there were all loose. The very first one toward the nose was missing, which i think is the more critical one to have in there as this is where our flex started to be noticed on the outside. I had to end up cutting the washer drain pipe to get it out of the way to finish drilling the hole and insert the 1/2x3 new Lag Bolt.

Installed all five 1/2x3 lag bolts but I have to go get a 1 1/2 coupling to fix the drain pipe, then I can start to put everything back together. I'll use screws down through the top to reattach the boxboard and staple the carpet back down, then put the under bed floor back in the storage area after I rebuild it.

I'll tear into the right curbside today sometime once I get the chest of drawers out.

You can see our rig info the signature.
 

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My pleasure sharing.

I am in the exact same boat. No visible issues, but I don't want anyone tearing into it other than me at this point. Since my 5 years will be up next year as well, I'm really considering dropping the filon myself and having a look.

We just had IS put on at Morryde. Now we are so deep into this thing we need to keep it going for a long time.
Brian,
Were there any bolts in the closet where the washer/dryer would go?
Thanks,
John
 
Thanks for adding to this Steven! Looks like your experience was pretty similar to mine. I'm still debating when to drop the filon on mine and see how it looks in there. Honestly, I'm a bit scared to find out. We were able to tow about 3000 miles last season with the Moryde IS, and it certainly gives me more confidence that the rig will hold together longer. It's only anecdotal, but there are a lot fewer things moving around in the coach over crappy roads.
 
@Steven@147 I'll be interested in what you find on the curb side - the street side was the area I was also having some visible issues.
 
Brian,
Were there any bolts in the closet where the washer/dryer would go?
Thanks,
John
Hi John. The most forward bolt in the washer closet was missing. There was a hole in the frame for one, so I added it. GD had sectioned the floor in that closet so I was able to just remove the portion that covered that area instead of removing the entire thing. And from what I remember the bolt aft of that was missing as well. I agree with Steven, the forward most bolts are arguably the most important ones.
 
After reading way too many posts about Solitude frame problems and watching too much YouTube, I did a thorough (as I could) analysis of the health of my frame on my 2021 310GK. I took several videos from multiple angles of the pin dropping on the hitch as well as the bedroom fixtures to see if anything was moving. I looked at every area that was mentioned as a sign of failure such as cracks, wrinkled decals, and broken filon screws. Knock on wood, I don't see any overt signs of a problem.

My next thought was, of course, what if anything can I do to prevent problems. Not wanting to drop the filon to check for cracks (yet) I decided that the one best thing I could do is to make the change that seems to be in the TSB going around, upgrade the bolts inside the bedroom (upper deck in my case). For anyone wanting to take on this task for themselves, this is what I did. Decide for yourself if you should do this.

I started with the easy side under the dresser. The dresser can be removed by taking out the drawers and the 20 or so screws holding it to the wall and floor. Next was the carpeted box that I had under the dresser. I thought I was going to have to remove the billion staples from the carpet to get at the screws, but GD seems to pre-build these boxes with the carpet and screw them in after. It just takes a bit of feeling around to see where the screws are that hold the box to the wall. Once it was removed, the steel box beam from the upper deck that attaches to the side wall is exposed as shown below.
View attachment 108214
I have seen/heard several stories about missing bolts in this area. I had one visible bolt missing, and they were all the standard 3/8 x 3 inch from the factory. The TSB has the dealers swapping these out with 1/2 x 3 lag bolts. The really puzzling thing to me was that the holes in the steel box section are drilled for 1/2 inch bolts, thus allowing the 3/8 bolts to move around in the hole and eventually loosen up as some of mine had. The old bolts are shown next to a new one below.
View attachment 108215
I tried one as a test. Drilled the hole in the sidewall out carefully with a drill appropriate for a 1/2 inch lag, and put the new bolt in. It felt snug and tightened up very nicely. Now I was off and running, I had to do the rest. I had read that there was an accessible hole in the closet near the plumbing for the WD. Sure enough, after removing a section of the raised floor in the closet, I saw the empty hole and added a bolt. When drilling the holes, make sure not to go deeper then the bolt (3") or risk drilling through the outer wall!
View attachment 108216
Now onto the bed side. This wasn't as bad as I thought. After removing the platform, there were only five screws holding the head of the frame to the slide. After removing those I was able to slide the entire assembly towards the dresser to gain access to the panel in front of that box beam. It wasn't apparent to me how that panel was held on so I opted to cut access holes in the panel with an oscillating saw. I was able to estimate where the bolts would be based on the measurements from the dresser side. It was quite close.
View attachment 108217
There was one bolt missing on this side as well. It was the aft-most bolt in this case. More of the factory bolts were loose on this side, I assume because the slide-out hole allows more movement. With the exception of one bolt access hole, all of them will be concealed by the bed assembly, so making the job look nice wasn't a concern. It was very satisfying how great the bolts felt after tightening them.
View attachment 108218
I wanted to document this for anyone else crazy enough to do this. It was daunting and took a good 6 hours to do. I don't trust a dealer to do this properly or in a timely fashion. I have this vision of them using an impact to tighten the bolts and stripping them all out like the factory seems to do. I hand-tightened every one. I hope this is helpful to someone out there. I feel as though I have at least done all I can do structurally to avoid problems. If I drop the filon and make improvements in there I will document that as well.

Best,

Brian
Great posting, and thank you for taking the time to make such a detailed post. Need people like you working in the industry in Quality control.
We just purchased a 2024 303rls and getting ready for a 3-month trip. Not knowing what to suspect and if 303 are experiencing such problems
 

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