Tow vehicles and CCC ratings

[Leons_Bad_Side]

I was looking to upgrade my 5er but the unit we were looking at had a higher rating then what my truck would carry. The salesperson,I know I know, tells me that they have a couple of things that they can do and if I have them done there they will re-certify my truck with a new CCC rating. This is one of the biggest RV dealerships in the country. Does this sound right? He mentioned helper bags and spring work. I do use my TV for other uses then RV’ing so I wouldn’t want to degrade it’s ride more then needed. I was curious if the helper bags could be adjustable or what. Just not to familiar with this area of expertise. I do get a bit of sag now that I think air bags could help with but just not sure about the whole recertification thing.

 

[A.Texas.Yankee]

Does not sound right at all, because if it were that easy, it would be done very frequently and I've never heard of this before. They may be able to physically make it more capable, but legally requires a different route. I would get details.

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[Leons_Bad_Side]

He says he can have it recertified to +500lbs with helper bags and up to +2000lbs with spring work.

 

[Ynot4me2]

From what I've been told, only the vehicle manufacturers can certify their vehicles and that's only done off the assembly line.

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[triplethreat]

He says he can have it recertified to +500lbs with helper bags and up to +2000lbs with spring work.

He is blowing smoke up you snoot. There is a way to have a vehicle recertified to a higher or different rating, but it's not cheap, AND...it's not by adding air bags and or different springs. Certified and licensed upfitters can do that work, but again, it's not cheap. Think about the businesses that take a stock truck and turn them into hauler beds and such. A certified and licensed upfitter/company is the only way a vehicle's rating numbers can be legally changed

 

[Leons_Bad_Side]

I hear what you are saying but like I said this is a very large RV dealer with branches throughout the US. Not some down the road sell by order RV dealer. It surprised me and I was a little taken aback that they would allow something if it was not true or something that could come back on them.

 

[Leons_Bad_Side]

I have what he is telling me in writing.

 

[A.Texas.Yankee]

Can you redact any personal info and post what is written?

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[Leons_Bad_Side]

How’s this?
“ I understand your concern, a 5th wheels weight is over the rear axle so sagging is less of an issue if we have insured the proper weight of the 5th wheel and truck.

However, if you are still concerned we can add one of two options:

1st: Helper bags – we have spoken about these in the past
2nd – Spring work – We can add up to 2000lbs of CCC in spring work (we want to just add what would be needed as the more we add the stiffer your ride)”

“ Yes that is correct,

The helper bags we install will give you 500lbs but do not include a compressor.

Your cost would be around $500”

 

[Heavysledz]

How’s this?
“ I understand your concern, a 5th wheels weight is over the rear axle so sagging is less of an issue if we have insured the proper weight of the 5th wheel and truck.

However, if you are still concerned we can add one of two options:

1st: Helper bags – we have spoken about these in the past
2nd – Spring work – We can add up to 2000lbs of CCC in spring work (we want to just add what would be needed as the more we add the stiffer your ride)”

“ Yes that is correct,

The helper bags we install will give you 500lbs but do not include a compressor.

Your cost would be around $500”

I think when he is saying "CCC" he is simply referring to Cargo Carrying Capacity not any sort of official certification...Yo will likely never get bothered on the highway if your towing with a 3/4 or 1 ton truck and your not required to stop at any of the weigh stations unless your hauling commercially, BUT you do have to be concerned if you ever get into a wreck and your insurance investigates and finds out your were over the listed CCC, they would likely deny your claim.

 

[Leons_Bad_Side]

“On your truck you can do helper bags which will give you 500lbs, if you need more we can do spring work on your truck. (If done through us we will recertify your truck for the extra weight)“

 

[JKellerJr]

I was looking to upgrade my 5er but the unit we were looking at had a higher rating then what my truck would carry. The salesperson,I know I know, tells me that they have a couple of things that they can do and if I have them done there they will re-certify my truck with a new CCC rating. This is one of the biggest RV dealerships in the country. Does this sound right? He mentioned helper bags and spring work. I do use my TV for other uses then RV’ing so I wouldn’t want to degrade it’s ride more then needed. I was curious if the helper bags could be adjustable or what. Just not to familiar with this area of expertise. I do get a bit of sag now that I think air bags could help with but just not sure about the whole recertification thing.

I will go against the grain here. With the research I've done it is possible and really not that hard if you can find someone to do it. The reason its nearly impossible to get it done is whoever does it now accept liability for the change and will need to defend themselves in court if called. I'll need to find the information again I had it on my old computer. From what I remember, the actual law says nothing about "certification" etc. The factory original label has to stay and cannot be changed but a supplemental label is added that states the new ratings

 

[Chewwi]

I will go against the grain here. With the research I've done it is possible and really not that hard if you can find someone to do it. The reason its nearly impossible to get it done is whoever does it now accept liability for the change and will need to defend themselves in court if called. I'll need to find the information again I had it on my old computer. From what I remember, the actual law says nothing about "certification" etc. The factory original label has to stay and cannot be changed but a supplemental label is added that states the new ratings

49 CFR 567.7 Requirements for persons who alter certified vehicles

In addition to assuming legal responsibilty for all duties and liabilities and labeling requirements, the alterer has a duty to determine continued conformity of the altered vehicle with applicable Federal motor vehicle safety, Bumper, and Theft Prevention standards.

2020 2600RB,
2017 Silverado Crew Cab 1500, 6.2L

 

[Wileykid]

How’s this?
“ I understand your concern, a 5th wheels weight is over the rear axle so sagging is less of an issue if we have insured the proper weight of the 5th wheel and truck.

However, if you are still concerned we can add one of two options:

1st: Helper bags – we have spoken about these in the past
2nd – Spring work – We can add up to 2000lbs of CCC in spring work (we want to just add what would be needed as the more we add the stiffer your ride)”

“ Yes that is correct,

The helper bags we install will give you 500lbs but do not include a compressor.

Your cost would be around $500”

I would ask him if you will get a new certified payload sticker that supersedes the manufacturers one.

Bet you won't.

 

[ItchinToGo!]

You have to ask your self this question. Are you willing to put the safety of yourself and your family in the hands of a salesman who is just trying to make a buck. For me and my family the answer is no, but that choice is up to you. CCC ratings are not just based on what a vehicle will carry, it also takes into consideration being able to safely stop and maneuver?

 

[brach311]

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I was looking to upgrade my 5er but the unit we were looking at had a higher rating then what my truck would carry. The salesperson,I know I know, tells me that they have a couple of things that they can do and if I have them done there they will re-certify my truck with a new CCC rating. This is one of the biggest RV dealerships in the country. Does this sound right? He mentioned helper bags and spring work. I do use my TV for other uses then RV’ing so I wouldn’t want to degrade it’s ride more then needed. I was curious if the helper bags could be adjustable or what. Just not to familiar with this area of expertise. I do get a bit of sag now that I think air bags could help with but just not sure about the whole recertification thing.

That's your life you're talking about! Remember the dealership won't be there to put your battered body back together. Also, the bigger the dealership, the less they have to lose. I bought a bigger TV so I don't have to worry. I've been in rehab after a bad auto accident. It's no fun and after seven years I still have some discomfort.

 

[DavidDillow]

How’s this?
“ I understand your concern, a 5th wheels weight is over the rear axle so sagging is less of an issue if we have insured the proper weight of the 5th wheel and truck.

However, if you are still concerned we can add one of two options:

1st: Helper bags – we have spoken about these in the past
2nd – Spring work – We can add up to 2000lbs of CCC in spring work (we want to just add what would be needed as the more we add the stiffer your ride)”

“ Yes that is correct,

The helper bags we install will give you 500lbs but do not include a compressor.

Your cost would be around $500”

Bag will do nothing for your CCC. They are only for leveling purposes.

I had to have an extra spring put on my 2018 F250 so I could tow my 2018 GD 320MKS. The installation was done through the RV dealer (Lazy Days - Tampa) but done at a place called Tampa Springs. Once they added the extra leaf spring they issued me a new DOT sticker with the increase values that is on the inside door panel near the MFG's sticker. The extra spring gave me an extra 450 LB's of CCC and keep me within my CCC limits with the pin weight of my GD. All this kept me within the limits of my rear axle and I didn't have to upgrade tires either.

 

[huntindog]

Bag will do nothing for your CCC. They are only for leveling purposes.

I had to have an extra spring put on my 2018 F250 so I could tow my 2018 GD 320MKS. The installation was done through the RV dealer (Lazy Days - Tampa) but done at a place called Tampa Springs. Once they added the extra leaf spring they issued me a new DOT sticker with the increase values that is on the inside door panel near the MFG's sticker. The extra spring gave me an extra 450 LB's of CCC and keep me within

This is the first time I have ever read anywhere of someone getting a new DOT sticker.
Can you please explain in detail just what is involved, and the cost?
This is incredibly good news if true. Many people on many boards will want to know. And quite a few people will not have to trade trucks anymore.

 

[JKellerJr]

Bag will do nothing for your CCC. They are only for leveling purposes.

I had to have an extra spring put on my 2018 F250 so I could tow my 2018 GD 320MKS. The installation was done through the RV dealer (Lazy Days - Tampa) but done at a place called Tampa Springs. Once they added the extra leaf spring they issued me a new DOT sticker with the increase values that is on the inside door panel near the MFG's sticker. The extra spring gave me an extra 450 LB's of CCC and keep me within

This is the first time I have ever read anywhere of someone getting a new DOT sticker.
Can you please explain in detail just what is involved, and the cost?
This is incredibly good news if true. Many people on many boards will want to know. And quite a few people will not have to trade trucks anymore.

OP can correct me if I’m wrong but It’s not technically a new sticker it’s a suplimental sticker that states the new limit. It’s been discussed but no one wants to admit it’s possible. Whole belief systems would collapse

 

[Chewwi]

Bag will do nothing for your CCC. They are only for leveling purposes.

I had to have an extra spring put on my 2018 F250 so I could tow my 2018 GD 320MKS. The installation was done through the RV dealer (Lazy Days - Tampa) but done at a place called Tampa Springs. Once they added the extra leaf spring they issued me a new DOT sticker with the increase values that is on the inside door panel near the MFG's sticker. The extra spring gave me an extra 450 LB's of CCC and keep me within my CCC limits with the pin weight of my GD. All this kept me within the limits of my rear axle and I didn't have to upgrade tires either.

Could you provide a picture of the new sticker?


2020 2600RB,
2017 Silverado Crew Cab 1500, 6.2L