Using Residental Solar Panels on Your Camper

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I have often advocated for using Residential Solar panels on your camper instead of the more common brands like Renogy, Grape, NewPowa, etc.

My main reasons are price (Dollars per Watt) and performance (latest technology, more efficient). Additionally, the Residential panels are usually higher Wattage so you need to install fewer panels.

Recently, on another thread someone asked if there were any drawbacks to using Residential Solar panels versus the aforementioned brands. They also asked about weight and installation complexity.

Here is my response to those questions:

The biggest issue with any Solar panel is: Will it fit on my roof?

I recommend that you make a cardboard cut-out the same size as any prospective Solar panel you intend to install and get up on your roof to see how they fit. You can plan your layout and also determine the max number of panels that will fit.

As far as weight goes, all Solar panels are constructed in the same manner, a glass panel surrounded by an aluminum frame, the internal electronics don't weigh very much at all. Consequently, it makes sense to install the most efficient panels you can find.

I would start my search with the 325 Watt Solar panels, panels around that size are very common and usually bargains can be found. Additionally, I would not rule out the possibility of getting a single panel in the 500 Watt range if that would fit your needs better.

One Note: there are used Solar panels starting to show up on the market and you might be able to find some killer deals in the used market, especially if the facility/warehouse is somewhat near your location.

As far as mounting the Solar panels, since the construction of the panels is similar, I presume the mounting choices are similar as well. I used the "Renogy" "Z" brackets (generic version from Amazon) and screwed them directly into the roof. I did however chose to use 3 pairs of "Z" brackets per panel versus only two. This required me to drill an extra mounting hole in the Solar panel itself, trust me, the pucker factor was high during this operation (be sure to use a wood block behind your drill).

As far as fragility goes, all Solar panels are made with Tempered Glass and they all meet an International hail rating (1 inch Hail stone falling at 50 mph). Solar panels are built pretty tough.

Residential Solar panels also have an advantage when it comes to being the most efficient and having the latest technology. For example: many newer panels have been re-designed to minimize the effects of shading by either (electrically) isolating a portion of the panel (usually these panels look like there are two panels inside one physical unit) or by doubling (or tripling) the number of internal connections. When you are looking into the specs of the panels you are considering, this information will become obvious. For example: the panels I chose, perform 11% better in low irradiance conditions than standard Solar panels, an advantage on cloudy days or when parked under a few trees at a campsite.

The best way to compare Solar panels is to look at the Dollars per Watt and at the efficiency rating of the panels themselves.
 
I have often advocated for using Residential Solar panels on your camper instead of the more common brands like Renogy, Grape, NewPowa, etc.

My main reasons are price (Dollars per Watt) and performance (latest technology, more efficient). Additionally, the Residential panels are usually higher Wattage so you need to install fewer panels.

Recently, on another thread someone asked if there were any drawbacks to using Residential Solar panels versus the aforementioned brands. They also asked about weight and installation complexity.

Here is my response to those questions:

The biggest issue with any Solar panel is: Will it fit on my roof?

I recommend that you make a cardboard cut-out the same size as any prospective Solar panel you intend to install and get up on your roof to see how they fit. You can plan your layout and also determine the max number of panels that will fit.

As far as weight goes, all Solar panels are constructed in the same manner, a glass panel surrounded by an aluminum frame, the internal electronics don't weigh very much at all. Consequently, it makes sense to install the most efficient panels you can find.

I would start my search with the 325 Watt Solar panels, panels around that size are very common and usually bargains can be found. Additionally, I would not rule out the possibility of getting a single panel in the 500 Watt range if that would fit your needs better.

One Note: there are used Solar panels starting to show up on the market and you might be able to find some killer deals in the used market, especially if the facility/warehouse is somewhat near your location.

As far as mounting the Solar panels, since the construction of the panels is similar, I presume the mounting choices are similar as well. I used the "Renogy" "Z" brackets (generic version from Amazon) and screwed them directly into the roof. I did however chose to use 3 pairs of "Z" brackets per panel versus only two. This required me to drill an extra mounting hole in the Solar panel itself, trust me, the pucker factor was high during this operation (be sure to use a wood block behind your drill).

As far as fragility goes, all Solar panels are made with Tempered Glass and they all meet an International hail rating (1 inch Hail stone falling at 50 mph). Solar panels are built pretty tough.

Residential Solar panels also have an advantage when it comes to being the most efficient and having the latest technology. For example: many newer panels have been re-designed to minimize the effects of shading by either (electrically) isolating a portion of the panel (usually these panels look like there are two panels inside one physical unit) or by doubling (or tripling) the number of internal connections. When you are looking into the specs of the panels you are considering, this information will become obvious. For example: the panels I chose, perform 11% better in low irradiance conditions than standard Solar panels, an advantage on cloudy days or when parked under a few trees at a campsite.

The best way to compare Solar panels is to look at the Dollars per Watt and at the efficiency rating of the panels themselves.
I will play devils advocate here:
The advantage of using more/smaller panels is that you do not need as much open space on the roof. It is easier to get more total watts being able to work around all the things in the way on the roof, while leaving a suitable walkway for maintainence, and there is an advantage to having panels distributed fairly evenly across the roof.... You are more likely to get some sun benefit more often. Being as these are moving campers we are talking about, one will probably not always be in a perfect solar situation. Residential panels are larger because they can be. Since the residence doesn't move, the amount of solar will not change due to that, and since there is generally a LOT more unobstructed space on a residence, larger panels make for a faster install. Large panels have no downsides on a residence.

I have a total of 10 panels totalling 1380 watts from the front to the back on my 398M. It works very well.
 
Great counterpoint.

What works well for some, does not mean it works well for everyone. Everyone should look into what they want and ignore the sales hype. Everyone says their products are the best and prove it will their sales pitch. If I lived in a place that does not hail, then having that strength does me no good. Having a smaller trailer that will not allow me to put 4 large residential panels may not work either. I certainly would rather have a smaller panel that I can work around than tripping and falling into a large one.

Smaller panels does not always mean better. I have yet to order my panels, but I have looked into this and it's a lot like playing Tetris. Using large pieces of cardboard seems to be ideal. Spread out the cutouts and see what works best. Maybe less large residential does work better, maybe more smaller panels work better. In the end, if you like doing your own work or maintenance, come up with a lay out that works well for you. More panels means more work, more connectors, more well.... everything. But it just might be a lot less hassle in the end. Remember, installation is only a one time thing. Maintenance is forever.

Again, small panels have their issues too. So, get educated. Research. Understand that all the sites will let you know theirs are better and will spell it out for you. Do any of those 'advantages' really apply to you? By the time you find out what works for you, you should be fairly knowledgeable and if someone says you should have done it this way, you can say "I looked into that and I did not choose that way because of this...."
 
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I like Butcher's comment that laying out Solar panels on an RV roof "Is Like Playing Tetris". This is so true. Using cardboard cut-outs the size of your prospective Solar panels to determine the layout of your panels is a really good way to help you decide between the various Solar panel options.

PS: I never meant to say that Residential Solar panels are the only option, just that they should be given serious consideration when choosing which Solar panels to buy.
 
I did not think you were but with the internet, there are so many options to research without leaving your keyboard. Many times when people get "ripped off" I find it odd that people made it easy so they could be. Once you're educated enough, even if you do not install them yourself, you can easily see which installer has your best interest in mind. Maybe a flex panel is right for your needs. Maybe large panels, maybe small. I certainly am leading down a path that I hope works for me. I'm reading and watching a lot of installs. I critique everyone I see. When I do start drilling into my roof [yes, screws is the only option for me], I will not be wishing I though of something else. If there is a blame, I will be going to the mirror and yelling at that guy.

Everyone needs to make a living, including business'. Finding a business that wants your money that gives you exactly what you want is a good thing.
 
The biggest issue with Residential solar panels that I am seeing is the panels just keep getting physically larger (with more wattage) and discontinuing the smaller sizes that many have used for RV's.
 
The biggest issue with Residential solar panels that I am seeing is the panels just keep getting physically larger (with more wattage) and discontinuing the smaller sizes that many have used for RV's.

Yes, Industrial panels in the 500 to 700 Watt range are larger, however, some RVs might be able to take advantage of that size ( I know my 310 GK only had one rooftop vent so there was a lot of room to play with).

That is why I suggested looking at panels in the 325 Watt range, they are usually based on the smaller form factor of 65 x 39 inches.

My panels are 305 Watts and measure 65 x 39 inches. This is how I laid them out, note that I have plenty of room to walk between the panels:
 

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Yes, Industrial panels in the 500 to 700 Watt range are larger, however, some RVs might be able to take advantage of that size ( I know my 310 GK only had one rooftop vent so there was a lot of room to play with).

That is why I suggested looking at panels in the 325 Watt range, they are usually based on the smaller form factor of 65 x 39 inches.

My panels are 305 Watts and measure 65 x 39 inches. This is how I laid them out, note that I have plenty of room to walk between the panels:

Unfortunately I have 3 A/C units, two fans, a Winegard 360-thing, TV antenna and the plumbing/attic vents. Looking at <300w panels to fit between AC units and edge which puts me out of residential panels. Possibly can work two residential panels into mix if I can match up the amps specs across all panels for a S/P setup (using factory 10ga and a single controller). Tetris indeed.


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Unfortunately I have 3 A/C units, two fans, a Winegard 360-thing, TV antenna and the plumbing/attic vents. Looking at <300w panels to fit between AC units and edge which puts me out of residential panels. Possibly can work two residential panels into mix if I can match up the amps specs across all panels for a S/P setup (using factory 10ga and a single controller). Tetris indeed.


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Yeah, that is a lot of stuff to work around.

I would suggest measuring your narrowest available space for panels and searching for panels with that width, you might find a panel you would not have otherwise found that has good efficiency and is priced well.

Additionally, you might be able to install a few larger panels across the width of your coach (my fourth panel is at the front cap).

If you do mix panels I would suggest a separate Solar Charge Controller for each type of panel and feeding the output to a bus bar that is connected to the battery(ies). This might be a way to get higher Wattage onto your coach than the lower wattage panels alone will allow.

PS: if you do cross mount your panels, you might be able to utilize panels in the 500+ Watt range. This option is definitely worth looking at.
 
Would you be willing to post a picture of the panel mounts and how you attached the wiring?

I'm just beginning to look at adding solar panels and I'm curious some of the basic mounting questions: are the mounts screwed to studs in the roof of just to the roofing panels?

Thank you!!
 
I installed both residential (360W Each x 3) and smaller RV 200W x 6 on the roof with not issues (2,180 Watts total)...Have seen as high as 98.4% efficiency combined.
 
How many MPPT's do you have? I suspect at least 2.

Yes....2 x Victron MPPT 150/85 Ve Can.

Each array on one MPPT.

Also, since I have a 5500W Onan Gen as part of the system, added a Victron 100A Autotransformer to be able to use both Victron Multiplus' in split phase from the gen set.
 
I have 2 100 watt panels that came with my battery backup (ie solar generator) that I have thought about installing on the roof with the drill-less panel holders.
Is 200 watt even worth it? I have a solar controller and the panels, so outlay would be minimal, but we have never dry camped - although if we had some solar, we might try it.
It's parked under a carport at home, so no charging until we take it out.
 
I have 2 100 watt panels that came with my battery backup (ie solar generator) that I have thought about installing on the roof with the drill-less panel holders.
Is 200 watt even worth it? I have a solar controller and the panels, so outlay would be minimal, but we have never dry camped - although if we had some solar, we might try it.
It's parked under a carport at home, so no charging until we take it out.

You can use that panel and a typical controller with your trailer. Your 'generator' might have external charging, but small controllers are very inexpensive. ($30ish) I have one permanently mounted and wired on my trailer. I just set up my panel where the sun is, and plug it in.
 

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